I think that Fast Larry has served enough penance and should once again be allowed to post at AzBilliards. Thoughts ? (NO,I haven't lost my mind and YES,I'm sober....... Doug
What I Think
- Thread starter !Smorgass Bored
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He got chances before and, with lots of egging on, always flew off the handle sooner or later. I believe Mike has extended the hand to him plenty of times already.
Go and look at the kind of junk he is posting on other boards...no frickin way.
T
Timberly
Guest
No
I didn't start coming around until after he was banned but I can tell you that after checking out RSB, I would leave this forum if FL came back. Not that it would be a big loss, but I was so annoyed at the mess over at RSB. Nothing about the place was enjoyable. EVERY thread was a flame war & FL was right in the middle. No thank you. If he acted like that over here, I can't imagine why anyone would want him here.
I didn't start coming around until after he was banned but I can tell you that after checking out RSB, I would leave this forum if FL came back. Not that it would be a big loss, but I was so annoyed at the mess over at RSB. Nothing about the place was enjoyable. EVERY thread was a flame war & FL was right in the middle. No thank you. If he acted like that over here, I can't imagine why anyone would want him here.
Not that I'm making a huge contribution here, and I probably wouldn't leave even if AZ let's FL back, but still, FL is the main reason I moved here from RSB. And I suspect there's a lot of others for which this is true (e.g., someone here goes by "RSB Refugee"). So it would be something of a bummer to have to start filtering through all that crap again.
On the plus side, if he could be kept to one ID then I could more effectively ignore him (assuming that feature works--so far, it hasn't crossed my mind to ignore anyone here.)
Cory
On the plus side, if he could be kept to one ID then I could more effectively ignore him (assuming that feature works--so far, it hasn't crossed my mind to ignore anyone here.)
Cory
I'm sure Mike is well aware of the Vbulletin admin features.
Permissions are a regular part of all the forums and it is very easy to dictate where a poster can and can't post...or even see.
Keeping him contained seems to be the key.
Permissions are a regular part of all the forums and it is very easy to dictate where a poster can and can't post...or even see.
Keeping him contained seems to be the key.
drivermaker
Banned
Smorgass Bored said:
It would only be fun if you and George, George, George and George promised to participate and post on all of the threads FL was on.
(This sounds like all of the names of George Foreman's sons)
Will you promise Smorgie....huh, huh, huh.....please promise.
Someone hijacked your login?Smorgass Bored said:
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onepocketchump
Guest
Bob Jewett said:
I agree. This ain't Doug.
And FL, back here, NO WAY. I don't honestly see how he has the time to do any exhibitions or anything else other than post on these forums given the sheer volume of his posts under different identies. Just the logging in and out under his aliases has to take hours a day.
FL here - John gone.
John
drivermaker
Banned
Smorgass Bored said:
T'is nothing more than a shit-stirrin' setup...after the crap that just went down over there, Mike would no more consider it than allowing Charles Manson to post from his prison cell. Hell, even Blackjack had to come out of retirement/self-exile today to tell George (who else) to cease and desist immediately in using his name and dragging him into the mess.
Nice try Smorg....
Smorgass Bored said:
Fast Larry was falsifying himself as Smorgasboard on RSB all last week, so I am taking this post with caution. However just for a minute assuming you are serious, you cannot be serious can you?
Just 3 days ago Fast Larry was posting utterly insane and unfounded allegations against Mike Howerton and was attempting to get him fired by encouraging people to repeat his lies to Mike's employers. You do remember Mike Howerton? The hard-working web-master who makes this AZBilliards possible? Who has said that he has been specifically instructed to remove Larry anytime he tries to get back on here? And you do remember that a day later Larry was posting the same lies and insults in replies to himself on threads under your own "Smorgasboard" ID on RSB?
I personally have no reason at all to believe that his current attempt to reform himself will last. This is not because I am an uncharitable person but because Larry himself has shown consistently that he is unable to control himself for more that 48 hours, even on a moderated forum. No matter how many promises he makes or who he apologizes to, he has consistently gone back to his old patterns again within days.
If he really truly wants to reform he should follow the example of his friend Blackjack who has chosen to remove himself from online forums due to the excessive negativity. Whilst I personally would much rather have Blackjack stay on forums and have Larry leave, I absolutely respect the fact that he is actually doing something to remove himself from an environment he knows is bad for him. This is the sign of a rational person. The medical definition of a madman is someone who keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
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drivermaker
Banned
AuntyDan said:
I remember Mike Templeton...but I'm not certain that he's hard working at all.
I've always gotten the impression that he was just a bum poster jerk off like me and all of the other regular whacko's on here. Good guy actually...(no offense Mike T.
)but I thought SmorgassBored made AZBilliards possible.
The SmorgassBored posting over here on this thread can ONLY be the real McCoy using his computer and having the post count that he does. Names can't be duplicated here or on CCB once they're set up and in use. It's not like on Usenet or Google forums. BTW...who is the phony GEORGE?? Anybody have some ideas?
It's true that FL has used numerous identities (including Smorgass Bored) to post vile statements in RSB,BUT,I think that he has only posted as Fast Larry for the past 24 hours and has made an attempt to mend his ways.If we (me included) can't find it within our means to extend an olive branch and give him another opportunity,then he has NO incentive to ever change his ways.I mean, he's not a convicted felon or anything, he's simply a person that seems to have gotten on many posters/lurkers last nerve. If he's given another chance here and messes up, Mike can simply ban him again.Perhaps we should watch him for a few more days on RSB and see if he can maintain a single identity and a less abusive manner of communicating with others.I'm surprised that so many are against FL returning and that I am championing his cause. I was led to believe that a Poll was taken here at AzB in the past and FL was overwhelmingly voted to be allowed to stay in AzB.
I still think that he should be given another opportunity to join the board with a clean slate..
I still think that he should be given another opportunity to join the board with a clean slate..
drivermaker said:
Not necessarily so. If someone simply guesses another AZB user's password there would be nothing to stop them logging on from anywhere and posting with that account. This could of course be traced later by the board admins if the real user realizes it and complains. Really motivated people could use a brute-force password cracking program (One that repeatedly tries to logon with random passwords) to either logon as a specific user or, even worse, find out the password of an admin account and then use the admin's own tools to remove, edit or create whatever posts they want. There are of course countermeasures to this, but few non-commercial forums bother with them unless they encounter a problem.
I'm not saying that's what has happened, just that, as a professional IT engineer, no public web-based forum like this is ever 100% secure and infallible.
Smorgass Bored said:
Frankly I don't agree with this. He should never have behaved like this in the first place. All he ever needs to do to be accepted in any online forum is to act like a normal person just like (almost) everyone else does. Of course there is always a minority with no respect for the self-imposed rules of a newsgroup, but do those people FORCE Larry to join them? Do any of them reach out and type crap on his keyboard for him?
Does anyone else get to demand everyone else apologize to them before they start doing what any normal person should have been doing in the first place? If you are convicted for a crime and want to get out on parole do you demand the judge, jury and witnesses apologize first and promise to never try you again?
On a practical level though 24 hours is simply not a reasonable time frame to make a realistic judgement of Larry's change of heart as he has proven himself dozens of times already this year. Let me see him post like a normal person for 12 straight months, then I might believe he has really changed.