What I would like to see

[rossaroni]

Was poker a big time, TV, attraction before they started televising the WSOP? Payouts were small.:grin::grin:

They have been televising the WSOP for decades on ESPN. It was a few other factors that created the 'poker boom'.

 

[LeagueShirts]

Google has a higher stock price, cash and revenues. ExxonMobil has a higher market cap. What do you mean?

MAC guy. All you have to do to contradict your own argument is look at your Avatar. What value did Apple have when it was $18 a share? Apple now is the richest corporation in the world by cash holding standards. The stock is over threes hundred dollars.

 

[Drew]

What make you think he can't? Of course he can...but why would he?

Folks that have big bucks don't give them out for nothing, and a $1m first place payout would have absolutely not benefit to anyoe other than the winners.

Why doesn't Billy Gaties sponsor a developmental ice skating club? A struggling musician's support fund? An inner city reading youth program?

Pool is important to us, not them.

...because I was obviously being serious

 

[Black-Balled]

...because I was obviously being serious

I see, said the blind man.

 

[kybill9]

Google has a higher stock price, cash and revenues. ExxonMobil has a higher market cap. What do you mean?

Cash on hand, Apple has the most of any corporation in the world. Not stock value. I was just trying to make a point about how things can change.

 

[kybill9]

You make a lot of assumptions.

You did say that pool players have no value. You want to go from there and start with personal attacks. I'm all for it. So what I have hopes and dreams. It's a dead man that doesn't. If I cannot talk about "WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE" without being attacked myself as some idiot who knows nothing about pool or Apple then go for it. One of the reasons I quit posting on AZ was the lack of intelligent interaction.
So what you WERE a pool room owner and all those things? Are you trying to justify the statement that pool players have no value. The horse is the pool players and their talent.
I feel sorry for those who don't want more for their sport. I guess it's easier to sit on your hands and say oh well, that's the way things are........
Blah blah blah.
AZ, what a joke.

 

[Black-Balled]

Don't get mad at us, Bill!

We did fail to focus on the title...What I Would LIKE to See.

I think quick answer from all of us would lean toward agreement with you: We'd like that too!

You make a lot of assumptions.

You did say that pool players have no value. You want to go from there and start with personal attacks. I'm all for it. So what I have hopes and dreams. It's a dead man that doesn't. If I cannot talk about "WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE" without being attacked myself as some idiot who knows nothing about pool or Apple then go for it. One of the reasons I quit posting on AZ was the lack of intelligent interaction.
So what you WERE a pool room owner and all those things? Are you trying to justify the statement that pool players have no value. The horse is the pool players and their talent.
I feel sorry for those who don't want more for their sport. I guess it's easier to sit on your hands and say oh well, that's the way things are........
Blah blah blah.
AZ, what a joke.

 

[Maniac]

It's why the DCC has become such an important tournament. This idea that the top players have no value denigrates pool itself. Why play pool itself if it has no value?

The DCC is only important to the poolplayers. Not important at all to Joe Average. The last sentence in the above quote is not the point that macguy made. He said POOLPLAYERS have no value (refering to their worth to the overall industry). Nobody said POOL had no value. Of course pool has value. It's entertaining and fun to play.

Why do we always think that just because somebody is really good at something, they should have huge amounts of money offered to them to show their talents? IMO, some of the other posters are merely pointing out what I myself believe, and that is that professional poolplayers are no more worthy of big payouts as a great bike rider, or a great tiddly-wink player, or some other low-paying sportsperson/hobbyist is.

Pool cannot pay big money AND return decent money back to the promoter/investor until it finds a way to become a popular spectator sport, which I do not believe it ever will.

If anyone is unsure where I stand on sports salaries, I do not shy away from admitting that almost any professional (read: paying) sport is paying the players W-A-A-A-Y too much money for what they do. Not a damn one of them should ever get paid more than any member of the Armed Forces does.

Not that I care to play in them anymore, but it is the pool leagues that keeps the industry afloat, not your professional poolplayers. They, for the most part, only take.

Just my opinions. I am sure I am not the only person on this forum that feels this way.

Maniac (Prays for American soldiers daily)

 

[macguy]

You make a lot of assumptions.

You did say that pool players have no value. You want to go from there and start with personal attacks. I'm all for it. So what I have hopes and dreams. It's a dead man that doesn't. If I cannot talk about "WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE" without being attacked myself as some idiot who knows nothing about pool or Apple then go for it. One of the reasons I quit posting on AZ was the lack of intelligent interaction.
So what you WERE a pool room owner and all those things? Are you trying to justify the statement that pool players have no value. The horse is the pool players and their talent.
I feel sorry for those who don't want more for their sport. I guess it's easier to sit on your hands and say oh well, that's the way things are........
Blah blah blah.
AZ, what a joke.

Well, nothing happens by itself, what is your plan? It can be a pipe dream it doesn't matter as long as it is based in some reality and not a wish. I have dumped a lot of money into the sport and have no regrets but nothing really seems to work pool is not a spectator sport. Interestingly enough I was at a pro tournament, this was everybody Rempy to Reyes ,it was one of the old Camel tour events; that was being held at the same time as a very large bar table league finale in the same building. There must have been 500 to 700 bar league players from all over the country there.

In the pro arena the average attendance may have been 75 to 150 spectators at any given time and many of them were with players in the tournament. Almost none of the bar league players came in at all. They didn't have the slightest interest in watching the best players in the world. It is a weird, you can try all kinds of things and they just don't work. You can't even get pool players to watch pool much less the general public.

So we are back to the original subject, why should someone be paying a pool player to play pool? I am not the one saying the players have no monetary value, the public has already determined that, including the pool playing public. You can't get anyone to even pay $10.00 to watch an internet feed from the comfort of their own home. Value is determined by a "Willing buyer and a willing seller". We have plenty of willing sellers but no one is buying.

 

[paksat]

Almost none of the bar league players came in at all. They didn't have the slightest interest in watching the best players in the world. It is a weird, you can try all kinds of things and they just don't work. You can't even get pool players to watch pool much less the general public.

Those aren't pool players, those are hustlers.. I've never met a true pool player that didn't enjoy watching pool

 

[Black-Balled]

Those aren't pool players, those are hustlers.. I've never met a true pool player that didn't enjoy watching pool

I am sometimes a 'real' pool player, but I can't sit and watch pool for more than about an hour.

I'd rather be doing than seeing.

 

[rossaroni]

Almost none of the bar league players came in at all. They didn't have the slightest interest in watching the best players in the world. It is a weird, you can try all kinds of things and they just don't work. You can't even get pool players to watch pool much less the general public.

Those aren't pool players, those are hustlers.. I've never met a true pool player that didn't enjoy watching pool

The league players are the hustlers? That is a first time I have ever heard that, if that is what you meant.



<---kind of confused

 

[paksat]

The league players are the hustlers? That is a first time I have ever heard that, if that is what you meant.



<---kind of confused

If it isn't APA

But no I was talking about the people that can't watch high level pool being played. Those people are really just in it for the money ( and what little there is of it ) from what i've seen.