What if a 300 plays a 700?
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Most 400-rated players try to play like SVB -- they try to run out. What they should do against a much stronger player is ride the money at every opportunity and even create such opportunities.Unless its on tight pockets. If you believe some of the bs being spewed on here a 400pt lower player might actually have a shot on tight tables.Seriously tho that's some interst. data.
Being totally facetious there. If i'm playing SVB 9b i'm rollin' the cheese EVERY chance i get. Pocket size is not gonna help me either way. Just taking a shot at that other thread on pocket sizes. Don't agree with his math at all. Tighter pockets are going to favor the better in almost every case.
Can't even ride 9 anymore! All the bangers and players that think they are great (600 speed) want everything called in my neck of the woods. Totally ruined 9 ball.
Isn't that the purpose of 10 ball, a call shot game (by shot I mean ball and pocket in this case). Why are they trying to change the standard rules for 9 ball instead of playing 10 ball.
Not in tulsa. they play no bottom corners on the snap on bartables but that's it. wide open after that. want call? play10.
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It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
If a player doesn't understand the importance of riding the money they should play 10B instead. It's a huge disadvantage if one turns their nose up to an early win. There's no dishonor in shooting the highest percentage shot. One shot at a 65% probability might be more advantageous than shooting 7 shots that are 90%.
Yeah. EVERYONE in Philly, from total banger to 700 speed, wants called 9 ball (9 only). AND, to top it off, there is one league where it's called every ball, and call every safe. You can't even play a 2 way shot. This league is a Fargo league and its rules are spreading throughout the whole area, as the owner of the league is also running regular tournaments with the same rule-set. Mind boggling to me. Takes away both the fun from the game, and the skill of 2 way shots.
I tell them all the time: "How is every pro 9 ball tournament ever held played" and they all still want to eliminate luck.
He prolly gone lose
Still want to shoot
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I still don't understand that when i see people say that on here. some kind of house rules? 9-ball isnt called shots.
I suspect running out isn't the optimum strategy for either player.
If the odds of them running out against a much stronger player are nil, what's to say they have the skill, touch, and thought processes to do what you're suggesting? They aren't playing for money, or some do or die event. It's just fun and a challenge. IF (big IF) they do run out just one or two times against the much better player, they'll remember it a lot longer as a success than
a game of hide and go seek. Playing for money? Now that's a different situation. They shouldn't be doing it to begin with.
they will execute safeties and escapes just as poorly, so riding the 9 would still be a smart strategy
I’m sure it’s not available but I’d be interested to see 8-ball vs. 9-ball stats with large of a skill gap.
At a low enough Fargo their win percentage is just going to equal whatever percentage the higher rated player rattles the 9. In 8-ball even that’s not an option.
Anecdotal: When I first got my table my ex-wife wouldn’t play with me at all until I showed her 9-ball, it was just a blood bath playing 8-ball.
This is before I got back to at least playing in leagues after a 20 year layoff and I would guess I was hitting at a 375 speed, while she was coming in at about a 150 (I know of one established 175 in my area and she was a hair worse than that).
She had no chance in 8-ball, but would pull out her expected 1-in-5 or so in 9-ball either from me rattling one or her hitting an early combo (she played it right, she played for the early 9 every time at the table).
At a low enough Fargo their win percentage is just going to equal whatever percentage the higher rated player rattles the 9. In 8-ball even that’s not an option.
Anecdotal: When I first got my table my ex-wife wouldn’t play with me at all until I showed her 9-ball, it was just a blood bath playing 8-ball.
This is before I got back to at least playing in leagues after a 20 year layoff and I would guess I was hitting at a 375 speed, while she was coming in at about a 150 (I know of one established 175 in my area and she was a hair worse than that).
She had no chance in 8-ball, but would pull out her expected 1-in-5 or so in 9-ball either from me rattling one or her hitting an early combo (she played it right, she played for the early 9 every time at the table).
Exactly. All it takes is one safety on the part of the lesser skilled player to turn it into the defensive strategy of one-pocket
or 14.1 for both of them. Which player would win those games by a landslide based on knowledge, touch, and skill?
I am not saying riding the 9 is not strategic for the weaker player; I think it is.
But we tend to fall in the trap in thinking the weaker player is the only one with strategy options. The stronger player has two downside risks. One is the 9-ball flying around. The other is the end of a runout--getting out of line on the last few balls or missing one of the last few balls.
The stronger player should use early shots and innings, including push outs, as needed to get the 9-Ball away from vulnerable spots like near pockets and other balls. He also should frequently avoid the few-balls-left risk by prioritizing 3-foul attempts.
Bob Jewett says, correctly, that to improve on his 6% game win chance Beginner Joe shouldn't approach the game like he is Shane Van Boening. My point is that to improve on his 94% game win chance, the strong player also shouldn't approach the game like Beginner Joe is Shane Van Boening.
With a 94% to 6% game win chance, I think the strong player can do anything he damn well pleases. What race # is it to?
1, 3, 5, 7? We are still talking about a 700 vs. 300, correct? Nobody gets to a 700 rating by thinking or playing stupidly.
We are talking about a race to 1.
If they do that 170 times, the expectation is 160 to 10. We are assuming here both want to improve on that expectation.
Screw that! That's what 10 Ball is for!