What is Borana Andoni's speed?

well it has finally happen, you have said something I agree with, I wondered if this day would come.
WELL SAID SIR

SUPERSTAR said:
This is exactly what is wrong with the pool worlds handicapping ability.
I just had a discussion about this very thing the other day.

It's all about ego.
Every person in the pool universe, knows better then everyone else, exactly how well everyone on the planet plays, based on their OWN ability.
So if you are labeled a C/B player, and YOU have never run 2 racks in a row, then it is impossible for anyone else who is C/B to have done the same, if your ego can't handle it.

Seriously, it's kind of amazing how many people THINK they have a firm grasp on being able to distinguish between amateurs, hacks, shortstops and champions, when in REALITY, they have no clue whatsoever.

I have known SEVERAL people that ran a 3 pack or a 4 pack, way before they EVER reached A and above speed.

Does that mean they can do it all the time? Absolutely not.
Does that mean that they are supposed to be held to a higher standard because of it? Absolutely not.
Does that mean that a lot of people get pissed cause they want to be able to run a 3 or 4 pack? ABSOLUTELY!!!
Especially those who then feel that since they can't do it at that C/B level, that somehow the system must be flawed because they are SUPPOSED TO BE running 3 or 4 racks, if someone else who is C/B level is doing it, and if they CAN'T.
Then, since they wouldn't want to go DOWN in ranking, then the obvious answer to them, is to move the other person up, despite it possibly being a one time deal and there being no difference in their speeds.
All because they can't handle the fact that someone else did it while they never have.

The key word here is consistency.

And as we all know, rotation games are ANYTHING but consistent.
Believe me, if i can go to the Camel Series South Jersey 10ball tournament years ago, and watch Strickland LOSE because his opponent broke in three 10balls in a row to win it, i can most certainly believe that some less then stellar player, can run a few racks.
I have watched TOTAL IDIOTS run racks, throughout my entire pool career.
Believe me, it's not always pretty, but it most certainly can be done by even the most terrible of hacks.

And EVERYONE who has spent time watching 9ball and 10ball in the days before alternate break, probably saw someone get lucky.
I mean, in my generation, unless you've been hiding under a rock, you definitely have seen someone break a bunch of balls in and have an easy out, only to break the 9 in the next game, only to break and make a ball, miss the shot but crap a ball in and have an easy combo on the money ball set up, and then watch as they snap the 9 in again.

BELIEVE ME, running a package one time, has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on total skill.
To judge Borana's speed based on this factor alone, is absurd.

Better, would be to ask the right questions to better understand the nature of the run.
Were there any 10balls on the break?
Were there any combos on the 10?
Did she miss and poop any balls in along the way?
Were they really REALLY difficult racks, or were they all comsos.
What is the closest she has been to running 4 racks apart from this one instance?
And even then, you still can't make an informed decision. Why? Because goofy things happen in this game.

EVERYONE is allowed to play over their head. THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT THAT, because it's not your normal speed.
It's when that "over the head" level becomes the new standard, that you can safely say that maybe someone is rated wrong.

I mean, if she comes out and says that she's run 146 three packs of 10ball in the past year, then yes, you can safely say that she is going to have to be rated at a higher level.
But to judge someone else's achievements, because you yourself haven't been able to do them yet, is just naive.
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SUPERSTAR said:
DID I!??!?!?!
I must be losing my touch.
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You are so on the money SUPERSTAR.

I have had people ask me how well I break. I say I made 7 balls on the break once in 9 ball. Does this mean I have the best break in the world? NO, that's because I usually have a hard time hitting the 1 ball at all.

Someone asked for Borana's speed and they stated what they saw. They said that she ran a 4 pack and also that she was inconsistent. People only want to chime in on the 4 pack because they don't want to believe it. I am sure this 4 pack was a one time thing so can everyone please now stop talking about this 4 pack?!?!

I want to see this match go down just like everyone else. I am tired of seeing post after post of nonsense from people that don't know what is going on between the ladies. Let them workout the details and have them let us know what and when the match is.
 
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2.5 pack said:
...I want to see this match go down just like everyone else. I am tired of seeing post after post of nonsense from people that don't what is going on between the ladies. Let them workout the details and have them let us know what and when the match is.
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You sir, have entirely not enough time on your hands. :grin-square:
 
CrisDeLaGarza said:
HI Hilary! Missed you in SD but I was not around much there this year.

I know Melinda is also a very smart woman. I was really only speaking to the "why them?" comments about KOD getting a lot of sponsor and media attention.

I've met Melinda a few times at tournaments and she's a great player and obviously has some wit to her. I hope no one took my comment about KOD players as a knock to Melinda in any way. I know she is a very well known and well respected player in CA and has been for many years.
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I wasn't at Viejas at all this year. First time since I started playing pool, but I will see you in Vegas. :)

I like what KOD is trying to do. I do think it could be done in different regions if women were less catty. And I think it's GREAT for pool. I also think Borana and Melinda's match is good for women's pool and for pool in general. Seems like they have both been professional about it and people want to watch it. People outside of pool would probably love to see two beautiful women playing for the cash too. Makes for a good story line. :thumbup:

You, Amanda and Melinda (Trigger) could probably market something similar in Texas (alll very cool women in my book ;-)).

I think it would be neat if KOD could play another all women's team in different regions. Texas, California. I think that would be also be something to watch!

On a different note, I think if a women is running a 4 back of 10 ball, she should be one of the top WPBA players. I don't see many men doing that.
 
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Eric. said:
OK, to answer the original question, with facts, without being accused of not-talking-glowingly about a player...

Borana is a mid level amateur. She is in the top half of talent on a regional womens amateur tour, but not in the top 3, more like in the 75th percentile of local amateurs. Same for a local mixed amateur handicapped tour; she would be in the top half of the field, skill wise, but not considered one of the top amateurs, men or women.

In plain inglese...she plays o.k.


Eric
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But looks amazing.
 
2.5 pack said:
I do not know about the other haters on here but Cleary maybe you are just jealous because you have been in the middle of this 1 pack for 5 years on your home table and the best you can do now is make t shirts that ask for weight which you already got plenty of.
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I forgot about you. :)
 
ronscuba said:
What does that convert to in 9 ball letter ratings on a 9 ft table ?
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B player, if that's really what her ranking would be. So that's a very rare break and run capability, average run of 5-6 balls, very very rarely runs 2 or more racks in a row.
 
Wedge said:
The team you are refering to Kiss of Death (KOD) has done more to promote the sport of Billairds in the past year than anyone else...period! Alison Fischer (The Other Alison) is a photographer and a driving force behind Jerry Tarantola and NYC Grind. Gail Glazebrook helps to run the Predator Tour with Tony Robles. Borana, Olga and Michele also contribute to the sport. Emily Duddy is a WPA card carrying member. They are in love with the sport and my hat is off to them for their promotional efforts and all the time they dedicate to it!!!
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Tap Tap Tap....Well put and all that needs to be said.
 
Yup, Low B player. And that's where she'll remain.
She started game, like most of us, in 20s.

Only so high we/her can go. I don't care much she plays, she's a lifetime C-average B.
Which is a good speed, but she'll never be a pro, that's ridiculous.
 
hang-the-9 said:
B player, if that's really what her ranking would be. So that's a very rare break and run capability, average run of 5-6 balls, very very rarely runs 2 or more racks in a row.
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Yes very rarely....
One year ago in TS
http://www.ustream.tv/new#/recorded/24933262
59:00 Minutes into the video - ran a two pack .... and that was one year ago.. i have put in a lot of practice time since then.

I am not going to sit there and not defend myself
 
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TheKman said:
Yup, Low B player. And that's where she'll remain.
She started game, like most of us, in 20s.

Only so high we/her can go. I don't care much she plays, she's a lifetime C-average B.
Which is a good speed, but she'll never be a pro, that's ridiculous.
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Wrong mentality here. Jenn started playing older than me and is now Open speed. It doesnt matter what age you start playing pool.

Maybe you will never get better, but I am.

Yes one time I was a C just like everyone else, and sometimes we might have bad matches. Be careful what you judge someone without knowing them.
I recently got raised to a B+ , because I snapped off two A-B tournaments. Not many people move up in the ranks so fast.
 
QueenB said:
Yes very rarely....
One year ago in TS
http://www.ustream.tv/new#/recorded/24933262
59:00 Minutes into the video - ran a two pack .... and that was one year ago.. i have put in a lot of practice time since then.

I am not going to sit there and not defend myself
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I was just explaining what a B player can do, never seen you play myself. If you can run 2+ racks daily, whee! I can't. Usually can't even break and run one a day, but I only play two times a week on average. Not a lot of time to get better, just to maintain how I play now.
 
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