John Stich in Minnesota is advertising used Diamond 7' tables for sale right now on AZ and FB at sharply reduced prices.
What is the best way to buy a new Diamond table?
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John Stich in Minnesota is advertising used Diamond 7' tables for sale right now on AZ and FB at sharply reduced prices.
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That's a great idea! It never even dawned on me to check estate sales. Is there an easy way to check local estate sales for specific key words?
I will take a WAG and say to save a few bucks.
The bulk of the money will stay in the US. The Americans employed by Diamond to manufacture the table won't suffer. The delivery/setup crew will earn American wages. Diamond will certainly make theirs.
Canada has always been a close ally with the US and trade with them is not a negative option. I hope I am not putting words in your mouth, however, that is how it reads to me.
FWIW, the US and Canada have bilateral trade of close to $2,000,000,000 a day. (no typo, 9 zeros) Throwing a bone to a fellow AZBer to save yourself some cash really isn't that confusing.
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We are all entitled to our opinions of course
I get calls from people trying to price check mine against his quite often. Again, I have no "beef" with Heath of course because I have also heard nothing but good things about him. It's not him and the situation of course. I also know he has been working with Diamond for a long time. It is just frustrating to have such strict territorial guidelines set on all the other dealers, myself included and none on someone that has an entire country of their own to deal in. Life aint always fair and I am not losing any sleep over it of course Have fun and play more pool!!! Trent from Toledo
Pm'ed you some information that might be useful.
Diamond must have changed their business plan since 2007. I called them and ordered a 9ft pro and they built it and then shipped it to me. They even sent me pictures of the table as it was being made
After reading some posts in this thread I was thinking the same thing. I purchased a 9ft Diamond Pro directly from the factory back in 2007, same as you.
It took about 8/9 months to get it delivered/set up but worth the wait.
I know most pool halls want the Pro-Am because it's easy to set up and level. Personally, I like the look of the Professional, doesn't look like a giant bar box.
Back to the OP.....keep looking. Check with the local pool halls or on Facebook. I see people selling them once in a while.
You did well! May I ask where you got it? My buddy is looking for one.
I am not sure and cannot speak for Diamond. Manufacturer direct pricing on a 9' Pro Am is $5900.00. Here is the price sheet.
I sell Diamond tables. I am a man of my word and have a deal with Diamond to NOT sell anything for less than they do. If someone wants to order them and save money I sell them for exactly what the manufacturer pricing is. Yes, I mark them up if I have them on hand, it is retail at that point because I have more time and money in them. Many people complain and say I can get it cheaper some where else and I tell them go right ahead.
No disrespect to Heath, but, I have been wondering about the fact that anyone would allow a middle man who never actually stocks the U.S.A. built table and is from Canada, aka another country, sell them a table?? I am one stop shopping: I either order the table for the client or have it on hand to sell them the table, I make the sales, the delivery and install it too. I also sell very competitively priced accessory kits. It boggles my mind from my perspective. Again, no disrespect to Heath, I hear great things about his customer service, but, at the end of the day he makes it harder for all the other USA based dealers like myself, to sell the tables.
Not here to argue and not attacking anyone. I am allowed my opinion in this matter because it directly affects my business. I am doing great, always have tables on hand and would NEVER undercut anyone because it is just how I do business. I do not haggle on my prices to sell tables. I love what I do and make a good living with my Brunswick restorations. The Diamonds are my new table option. Very simple: I sell the best 2 products in pool right now. Just my $0.02....
so you sell ABOVE msrp and direct customers AWAY over pricing concerns?
yikes
Thanks to everyone who replied.
Here are some more specifics:
1) I have to have a 3-pc slate. I spoke to Diamond last year at SBE, and they will not deliver a 1-pc to my house because there are 3 steps leading up into my front door. And all the tournament tables are 1-pc slate.
2) I went to Manning's site, and by the time i added the options i wanted, it was only $50 less than the Package price listed in this flyer.
3) I live in western Virginia, so delivery and setup costs are going to add to the total.
I guess what bothers me the most is that Diamond doesn't publish any dealer info, so I can't exactly find any in my region.
I'm open to other suggestions, but it's starting to look like I'm just going to have to call Diamond directly.
Here are some more specifics:
1) I have to have a 3-pc slate. I spoke to Diamond last year at SBE, and they will not deliver a 1-pc to my house because there are 3 steps leading up into my front door. And all the tournament tables are 1-pc slate.
2) I went to Manning's site, and by the time i added the options i wanted, it was only $50 less than the Package price listed in this flyer.
3) I live in western Virginia, so delivery and setup costs are going to add to the total.
I guess what bothers me the most is that Diamond doesn't publish any dealer info, so I can't exactly find any in my region.
I'm open to other suggestions, but it's starting to look like I'm just going to have to call Diamond directly.
You can get it up three steps with the cart. Been there, done that. The diamond guys might not be allowed to do it, but YOU can.
Do we know each other? I used to live in Roanoke.
Nice way to try and be cute. Let's make sure you understand what you are talking about before you make any insinuations about how I do business.
Manufacturer Direct Pricing is NOT the same as MSRP. MSRP is in relation to RETAIL pricing. Of course the price is going to be higher than Manufacturer Direct because of the costs involved in getting the tables from the factory into my inventory and obviously it takes up space and that costs $$ too. Retail also means that you can have it as soon as you want. Factory Direct on a new table the average wait is 10-14 weeks(could be sooner if they get enough orders to send the install team out) and then there is also the delivery & install fee as well. I give people the option to buy them either way. I follow the factory direct pricing sheet( posted in this thread) for those who want the lowest price possible. I also follow the MSRP pricing from Diamond if they are buying it retail. I think I explained this pretty clearly and no I am not predatory at all if that is what you are trying to suggest.
Trent from Toledo
P.s. I never said anyone was over pricing anything! Both Heath and I charge what Diamond says we should! Just FYI.
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said I had any "beef" as you suggested. It does not matter who it is, I happen to use him as an example of how I cannot understand how people buy a USA made product from someone in Canada that does not ever even touch the product. I do offer an excellent one stop shopping service. Its all good. I know I am not the only dealer that feels this way about the situation. I was not confrontational and gave an honest opinion of the situation. I have San Diego( very recent)Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Western PA as territories I am allowed to advertise in. I follow the rules given to me by Diamond, that is all. Very lucky and happy with what I have, just confused why anyone would send their money to another country to buy a USA made product. Have fun an PLAY POOL!
Trent from Toledo
Not hard to understand at all really. Someone is gonna plop down a good chunk of their hard earned money and is offered a deal where they can save a coup.email thousand of those hard earned dollars. As far as who is supplying it, we'll I'm sure EZ felt good about the purchase once many well respected members from our forum vouched for him having done many deals that went great. Btw; back to the purchase, saving a coup,email grandelivery on a $6-7k purchase is a HUGE % of savings - who wouldn't jump on that with these circumstances ? ??
I get you may be a little butt hurt that you and other " authorized dealers " can not be competitive because of your deal with Diamond but can't see it being this other guys fault. He's saving is folks a good deal of money so good for him. Also; licensing and what not aside, undercutting is one of the great pillars of capitalism. You know some folks may even say not allowing XXX price could be considered borderline price fixing...... As to being " in another country " ( Canada ), that is probably exactly
why he can offer such good deals so once again good for him ( and Canada ). If the system wasn't so rigged Americans could be getting their same prescriptions we get here for pennies on the dollar. ( just another example of cross border trade not meant to be political )
To the OP - another resource worth checking out is OBM on Facebook. I see Diamonds on there all over the place frequently. Good luck!
no not predatory
more like old and antiquated in your business model, really old
Good post. Also good call on the OBM, I forgot about them since I don't Facebook as much as I used to.