What is the ruling? HELP !!

[topcat1953]

I am playing in a Handicapped Straight Pool League. They play by "House Rules" and that during any game it is "cue ball fouls only". My take on the cue ball fouls only is, if the player at the table is in a shooting position and would happen to touch an object ball with his hand or move an object ball with his stick during the action of shooting a shot, it is not a foul and the player who is not at the table has the option of moving the ball back in place or leaving the ball as is. Plus, the player at the table does not lose his turn if he has pocketed a ball.

For some reason, I have it in my mind that if the player moves more than one ball, other than the cue ball, with his hand or his stick during the course of shooting that this would be a foul. It is my contention that this is beyond a "cue ball fouls only" catagory and falls into just a plain old general rules of how to play. I mean, how many balls can you move with your hand or the stick or hand and stick, during the action of shooting before it is a foul?

If this is in the Rule Book, where? Or if anyone knows the answer, Please, enlighten me.

I don't know, but common sense tells me it is a foul. Hell, I could shoot a break shot and follow through ridiculously and break the rack open and with my hand or stick and this would not constitute a foul under the "cue ball fouls only" rule. If i would do that, then I can innocently say "Sorry, do you want to move 'em back?"

I'm done ranting. HELP !!!!

 

[pdcue]

I am playing in a Handicapped Straight Pool League. They play by "House Rules" and that during any game it is "cue ball fouls only". My take on the cue ball fouls only is, if the player at the table is in a shooting position and would happen to touch an object ball with his hand or move an object ball with his stick during the action of shooting a shot, it is not a foul and the player who is not at the table has the option of moving the ball back in place or leaving the ball as is. Plus, the player at the table does not lose his turn if he has pocketed a ball.

For some reason, I have it in my mind that if the player moves more than one ball, other than the cue ball, with his hand or his stick during the course of shooting that this would be a foul. It is my contention that this is beyond a "cue ball fouls only" catagory and falls into just a plain old general rules of how to play. I mean, how many balls can you move with your hand or the stick or hand and stick, during the action of shooting before it is a foul?

If this is in the Rule Book, where? Or if anyone knows the answer, Please, enlighten me.

I don't know, but common sense tells me it is a foul. Hell, I could shoot a break shot and follow through ridiculously and break the rack open and with my hand or stick and this would not constitute a foul under the "cue ball fouls only" rule. If i would do that, then I can innocently say "Sorry, do you want to move 'em back?"

I'm done ranting. HELP !!!!

1, 2, or 102, it is not a foul unless the CB is involved.

IMHO - CB-fouls-only creates more problems than it solves, but
many players seem to prefer it.

As to your scenerio - these extreme examples don't cut much
ice with me because no one would ever do such a thing, at least
in the poolrooms I grew up in, would ever do it twice

These "informal" rules tend to be sorta 'self-governing' in the real world.

Dale

 

[Bob Jewett]

... For some reason, I have it in my mind that if the player moves more than one ball, other than the cue ball, with his hand or his stick during the course of shooting that this would be a foul. It is my contention that this is beyond a "cue ball fouls only" category and falls into just a plain old general rules of how to play. I mean, how many balls can you move with your hand or the stick or hand and stick, during the action of shooting before it is a foul? ...

Here is the WPA regulation. Note that it is not a rule, but rather a way to apply the rules in special situations. Personally, I think it is broken and players, especially in leagues, should play by all the rules.

Derby City is not played by WPA rules. Here is a part of the rules used there, which is the only "more than one is a foul" rule I know of:

Cue Ball Fouls Only: Accidentally touching or disturbing a single object ball is not a foul unless the disturbed ball has an effect on the outcome of the shot. See a referee for advice if you think this has happened. Otherwise, the opponent has the option to restore the disturbed ball or leave it in position. If the offending player attempts to restore the disturbed ball without giving their opponent the restoration option, it is a foul.

Accidentally touching or disturbing 2 or more object balls is a foul, and there is no restoration option for the disturbed balls.
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[stevekur1]

But what is the ruling if that ball that was touched alters the path of the cue ball on the shot ?

This situation comes up all the time in our league, and we call that a foul.

Steve

 

[TSW]

I don't know, but common sense tells me it is a foul. Hell, I could shoot a break shot and follow through ridiculously and break the rack open and with my hand or stick and this would not constitute a foul under the "cue ball fouls only" rule. If i would do that, then I can innocently say "Sorry, do you want to move 'em back?"

I'm done ranting. HELP !!!!

Breaking open the entire rack intentionally would probably be considered "unsportsmanlike conduct:" http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_fouls#6.16 (N.B. rule 6.16(b))

 

[Rich R.]

But what is the ruling if that ball that was touched alters the path of the cue ball on the shot ?

This situation comes up all the time in our league, and we call that a foul.

Steve

As stated in Mr. Jewett's post, it would be a foul because it affected the out come of the shot.

"Accidentally touching or disturbing a single object ball is not a foul unless the disturbed ball has an effect on the outcome of the shot."

 

[pdcue]

But what is the ruling if that ball that was touched alters the path of the cue ball on the shot ?

This situation comes up all the time in our league, and we call that a foul.

Steve

IMHO - that would fit into the category of CB is 'involved'
so, it is a foul.

Dale

 

[Bob Jewett]

But what is the ruling if that ball that was touched alters the path of the cue ball on the shot ?

This situation comes up all the time in our league, and we call that a foul.

Steve

For the case of World Standardized Rules, that is covered in the WPA regulation I gave a link to above.

 

[topcat1953]

rule

Thanks for the posts.

Some rule book making organization should take it upon themselves to create or publish a more detailed guideline for playing with "cue ball fouls only", after all, alot of places play that way.

Though, I found in the BCPL Handbook under Section1, General Rules, 1.33, #7 states, "It is a foul if, b. you disturb more than one object ball".