What is the UPA doing?

Tom In Cincy

Tom In Cincy

AKA SactownTom
Silver Member
A recent post about the UPA scheduling conflicts with the Berhman's Masters 9 ball tournament and the Dragon Productions just wasn't enough..

NOW the UPA has scheduled a LA event in January of 2006 during the same week as the Derby City Classic.

There hasn't been a word out of the UPA's website with news about these conflicts...just the schedule with some question marks ????tba and such.

If I were a member of the UPA, I would be asking some questions...

Who's running the UPA and why is it taking so long to make any decisions and then even longer to get the decisions out to the players and public?

Or is it only the "Dragon Productions" holding up the show? The UPA will not hold a UPA tournament unless it is a 'Drag-on Production'... is that the process?

Where is the competition for 'drag on productions'?
 
Tom In Cincy said:
NOW the UPA has scheduled a LA event in January of 2006 during the same week as the Derby City Classic.
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they can't be that STUPID..............thats SUICIDE..............what person who makes a living off playing pool would miss the DCC??????

that would be the end of the upa............when they had 10 people show up for a sanctioned tourney with a ton of sponsorship.....................i think they'll change that.

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
they can't be that STUPID..............thats SUICIDE..............what person who makes a living off playing pool would miss the DCC??????

that would be the end of the upa............when they had 10 people show up for a sanctioned tourney with a ton of sponsorship.....................i think they'll change that.

VAP
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The UPA is gone nutz .Dcc is the Best thing going .Plus all the top player in the upa Are winners of the dcc 9 ball ..
Hay someone realy needs to look into this u p a mess..
Or one more tour down the river
 
Hopefully, there is room for negotiation(s).

Quote from president of Dragon Promotions, Cindy Lee:

"With the continued support of all the players and fans, we are proud to sanction the Predator Florida Open with the UPA. Dragon Promotions have and will continue to work towards sanctioning all our events. We encourage all promoters to take this opportunity to get their events sanctioned by UPA in order to avoid future conflicts."

Full article on AzBilliards Home Page: http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=2630

JAM
 
The whole situation is really disappointing, There can be unity without dominance. It doesn't matter what is overbooked or power plays pulled. The fans and the players still lose.
 
Well if you want to win a UPA event there is your chance if your an average player. No one else will be there so you may have a chance of winning!!! Thats just stupid by the UPA with the response jam posted sounds like they are trying to bully the DCC to be a sanctioned UPA event. Sounds like they think they will get the bigger turnout, but I seriously doubt that!
 
JAM said:
Dragon Promotions have and will continue to work towards sanctioning all our events. We encourage all promoters to take this opportunity to get their events sanctioned by UPA in order to avoid future conflicts."

JAM
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That is a joke. Basically the UPA is trying to strongarm all the premier events to join the UPA and become a sanctioned event and only THEN will they stop with the blackmailing tactics of putting UPA events at the exact same time and try to destroy those events.

Pool is in bad enough shape and has too few events as it is, the UPA has a small number of events and this putting them on at the exact same time as the DCC and other events is on purpose and is an attempt to gain control over those events via sanctioning. This will simply hurt the DCC AND the UPA event, instead of having 6 good UPA events a year and 6 other major tournaments that dont confict the UPA has decided to not allow the pool players 12 top events in a year but less by purposely schedualing conficts in order to show those "other" tournaments they better join up withe the UPA or face it directly as competition.
 
go to www.worldpoolchampionship ,north america catagory 4 and 7,it appears the upa has got spots to the worlds,which is a big plus for a lot of players,maybe the best thing to do is work with the upa
 
JAM said:
Hopefully, there is room for negotiation(s).

Quote from president of Dragon Promotions, Cindy Lee:

JAM
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Sadly, the UPA has its own requirements for sanctioning non-UPA events.
Either do it the UPA way or NO sanction.

The UPA wants total control of the format and seeding of players (according to the UPA points totals) and for the non-sanctioned event to put any Guaranteed money into an Escrow account at least 30-days prior to the event.

I wish there were room for 'negotiation(s)' but I don't see it happening any time soon.

The Predator/UPA event has (in the last 3 of 4 years) been played on the last weekend of the month of May.
2005 May May 25th-29th
2004 May 8th-9th
2003 May 29th-Jun 1st
2002 May 30th-Jun 2nd
2001 May 31st-Jun 3rd (was the Lucasi event this year)
 
sly said:
go to www.worldpoolchampionship ,north america catagory 4 and 7,it appears the upa has got spots to the worlds,which is a big plus for a lot of players,maybe the best thing to do is work with the upa
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Actually the US open and the BCA 9-ball have spots as well. WTF is the DCC not included in this? The winner of the 9-ball at the DCC should have a spot as well as the overall champ.
 
Gremlin said:
Hello,

I will bet there are quite a few west coast people who will stay home for a nice paying upa tournament and saving $2,000 expenses. Make a living from pool? :eek:
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again, you're looking through ignorant eyes............there is SO MUCH ACTION at the derby, that save the few people who don't need to gamble, and are only interested in the points from the UPA, everyone else will be there.

the only people who will stay home and play in the UPA tourney are:

the ones that arent' good enough, don't gamble, or don't have the bankroll (LARGE GROUP, BUT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THEM PLAY).......

or

the ones that don't need to gamble, but are interested in the UPA points. (VERY VERY VERY small group)

out of those two categories..........you only have a handful of top talent that would consider the UPA event over the derby...........

considering that ONE person last this year won 40 some thousand.........in TOURNAMENT money ONLY..............there was hundreds of thousands in action OUTSIDE of the tourney.............

and the UPA gives 10,000 to the winner, and you don't have even a 1/4 of the action...............

who do you think in their right mind, except the two groups i mentioned would stay on the west coast????

ask yourself

lets see........do i want to win 10,000 IF IF IF IF i win the UPA event...........or do i want to rely ON MY OWN SKILLS MATCHING UP, and MAKE possibly 50-100,000?????

VAP
 
Celtic said:
That is a joke. Basically the UPA is trying to strongarm all the premier events to join the UPA and become a sanctioned event and only THEN will they stop with the blackmailing tactics of putting UPA events at the exact same time and try to destroy those events.

Pool is in bad enough shape and has too few events as it is, the UPA has a small number of events and this putting them on at the exact same time as the DCC and other events is on purpose and is an attempt to gain control over those events via sanctioning. This will simply hurt the DCC AND the UPA event, instead of having 6 good UPA events a year and 6 other major tournaments that dont confict the UPA has decided to not allow the pool players 12 top events in a year but less by purposely schedualing conficts in order to show those "other" tournaments they better join up withe the UPA or face it directly as competition.
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If memory serves me right, I don't think last year's UPA Season Finale at the Bicycle Club, held on the same dates as the ANNUAL JOB's Music City Open, had a good turnout as far as spectators and railbirds.

It is a sad reality that the first two legs of the Hilton-sponsored NAOT had a very low attendance of "UPA Touring Pros," which has resulted in the NAOT not continuing to have "pro" tournaments, i.e., 43 showed up in Florida and less than 60 showed up in Pittsburgh.

Now let's take the Derby City Classic in Louisville, Kentucky: BIG turnout, players of all caliber, vendors galore, mini tournaments, action, Louie Roberts A/E Award, and the opportunity to mingle with about 1,000 or more pool like-minded folk from around the world.

How about the U.S. Open? They draw about 200 or so players, and this tournament is OPEN to male pool players, and you don't have to be a citizen or resident of the United States or a member of any organization to compete. It is the most prestigious pool title in America, and IMHO, every pool player I know desires to be a U.S. Open champion.

If and when the UPA organization recognizes they will attract more participation with honey rather than vinegar, it will make for a much better pool environment in the United States. As it stands today, the current stance taken by the men's governing body of professional pool is not a good one. Unity is key, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Without participation of spectators, pool enthusiasts, fans, railbirds AND aspiring pool players, the UPA vehicle will continue on its merry way, with one tire in the sand.

JAM
 
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JAM said:
Quote from president of Dragon Promotions, Cindy Lee:

We encourage all promoters to take this opportunity to get their events sanctioned by UPA in order to avoid future conflicts."



JAM
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thats the politically correct way to say "if you don't join us, we'll schedule an event everytime you do"

VAP
 
I believe that the DCC will survive no matter who attempts to sabatoge it. It's just an entity unto itself. So too is the US Open. Like Jam said, everybody that can play at that top level desires to win the the Open. The UPA has taken on too much and will suffer from these decisions. It's a shame that they decided to use this tactic. It will destroy them in the long run unless they change.
 
can someone point me in the right direction........i can't find where the UPA has scheduled anything against the DCC next year........

VAP
 
Gremlin said:
VAP,

I don't care about action as you call it. I have made more money in the last eighteen years in legitimate business than you will gambling in three lifetimes. Your sick! If I am ignorant then I am happy as hell that way.

You run your mouth about skills? What skills do you have? If you have a day job you better stick to it. That's my ignorant advise.

Wait till the local District Attorney is running for mayor and he decides he needs some free publicity and puts the DCC Action out of action. :rolleyes:
Then how you going to use those skills cleaning toilets? So tell us all how much money you made on DCC Action :rolleyes:

The subject is the UPA and it has a BCA Mandate so it's not going away. The US OPEN hasn't paid all the money it owes the players from previous events. The DCC could be shut down anytime. Men's pool tours here today gone tomorrow. Have the men's tours got you by your N.U.T.S yet? :p

PS. No one watches pool except the players when they aren't playing golf. :eek:
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you know, i think i've had this conversation with your idiot ass before..........


READ WHAT IS WRITTEN BEFORE YOU REPLY.................

we're not talking about you, or me here............. :rolleyes:

we're talking about the PRO PLAYERS who MAKE A LIVING playing pool.

which tournament are they going to go to? the one to make little or no money, or the one that has the chance of being a big score???

well you obviously don't know shit about poolplayers..........except how to take their picture........

you talk about how much money you've made........well.......frankly i couldn't give a shit.............either way you're still a pool GROUPIE.........not a fan, not a player........a pool GROUPIE.........who follows poolplayers around and gets his picture taken with them so he can show it off............way to go, i envy you so much............. :rolleyes:

this will probably be the last post you read from me, as i'll probably be on your all-star list here shortly...............so have fun with your crown royal and camera..............GROUPIE........... :D

p.s. as far as my skills.........i let you know who i am, when you end up taking my picture one day............ :D

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
you know, i think i've had this conversation with your idiot ass before..........


READ WHAT IS WRITTEN BEFORE YOU REPLY.................

we're not talking about you, or me here............. :rolleyes:

we're talking about the PRO PLAYERS who MAKE A LIVING playing pool.

which tournament are they going to go to? the one to make little or no money, or the one that has the chance of being a big score???

well you obviously don't know shit about poolplayers..........except how to take their picture........

you talk about how much money you've made........well.......frankly i couldn't give a shit.............either way you're still a pool GROUPIE.........not a fan, not a player........a pool GROUPIE.........who follows poolplayers around and gets his picture taken with them so he can show it off............way to go, i envy you so much............. :rolleyes:

this will probably be the last post you read from me, as i'll probably be on your all-star list here shortly...............so have fun with your crown royal and camera..............GROUPIE........... :D

p.s. as far as my skills.........i let you know who i am, when you end up taking my picture one day............ :D

VAP
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Gremlin is a guy?
 
Jam, I would respectfully disagree with you here. Neither UPA nor Dragon Productions are in any position to negotiate with the DCC. The DCC is the best thing for pool since Efren came to Houston in the eighties. If the UPA wants to conflict with the DCC, then let them. The UPA will lose.

kollegedave

JAM said:
Hopefully, there is room for negotiation(s).

Quote from president of Dragon Promotions, Cindy Lee:

"With the continued support of all the players and fans, we are proud to sanction the Predator Florida Open with the UPA. Dragon Promotions have and will continue to work towards sanctioning all our events. We encourage all promoters to take this opportunity to get their events sanctioned by UPA in order to avoid future conflicts."

Full article on AzBilliards Home Page: http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=2630

JAM
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Is it true that UPA players are also given preference for being picked for the Mosconi Cup team? I thought I heard a lot of grumbling a while back about Charlie W. being on the team still.

The DCC is the best thing in pool right now and no other event will come close to matching it unless the payouts are really big.

Are ladies actually not allowed to play in the US OPEN? On JAMs' post she said it was open to any male player. Allison, Corr, J. Lee can't play if they want? I'm not the worlds biggest WPBA fan but some of these ladies play good enough pool to take their chances in the open- Lee did real well at the DCC two years ago.
 
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