What is wrong with some people?

[prulhiere cues]

Maybe it is just me, but I can't understand people. I had a listing on eBay for a cue that had a clear coated wrap, like a Meucci cue. I listed it as a Prulhiere cue in the "meucci" style. Someone reported the add to eBay as name brand misuse. Well, it was a policy violation (that I did not realize) the add was removed and I got a long nasty letter from eBay lecturing me on policy. Ok, it was a violation to use the name, I get it, but who is the person out there lurking in the shadows waiting on something like this? The add was not misleading at all. I was not trying to sell a cue as if it were made by someone else. Meucci clear coats the wrap and everyone knows that just like the term "Hoppe ring" is used daily on here for a 100 cues not made by Hoppe. I get so sick and tired of the people out there that look for every little thing they can to try to "get" someone. Do these people have such a miserable life that the only fun they have is hurting others. It is time to grow up! You know if this is about you, or if you have done this to someone else. You have accomplished nothing more than delaying a sale for me on eBay. It is a stupid and childish thing to prowl and look for violations here, on eBay or anywhere else. A real violation does need to be reported, but someone doing what I did, or someone bumping at 47 hour and 53 minutes instead of 48 hours on AZ billiards DOES NOT!

 

[ChrisOnline]

90% of the time its somebody who also got introuble for using name drops like that.. most of the time ppl report other people out of spite because they got in trouble for it.. so they feel nobody else should do it either..

its getting worse and worse on ebay..

you would have been better off to grossly misrepresent your cue by saying it was a meucci.. that probably would have made it through..lol.. it seems those ppl never have any problems with listings..

chris

 

[Donny Lutz]

eBay sucks

90% of the time its somebody who also got introuble for using name drops like that.. most of the time ppl report other people out of spite because they got in trouble for it.. so they feel nobody else should do it either..

its getting worse and worse on ebay..

you would have been better off to grossly misrepresent your cue by saying it was a meucci.. that probably would have made it through..lol.. it seems those ppl never have any problems with listings..

chris

Not surprising. They enforce their "rules" with individual sellers, but not the big sellers.

I've complained to them about the distributor who continues to call his new Meuccis "antiques", when they are clearly brand new. Almost as bad as calling the new Meuccis "originals". But if you're a big seller, you're pretty much exempt from obeying the "rules".

 

[hang-the-9]

Not surprising. They enforce their "rules" with individual sellers, but not the big sellers.

I've complained to them about the distributor who continues to call his new Meuccis "antiques", when they are clearly brand new. Almost as bad as calling the new Meuccis "originals". But if you're a big seller, you're pretty much exempt from obeying the "rules".

No sh1t, the seller who keeps putting up "Joss II" and "Schon II" cues is still selling, and went on to new names to rip off.

 

[alstl]

Maybe it is just me, but I can't understand people. I had a listing on eBay for a cue that had a clear coated wrap, like a Meucci cue. I listed it as a Prulhiere cue in the "meucci" style. Someone reported the add to eBay as name brand misuse. Well, it was a policy violation (that I did not realize) the add was removed and I got a long nasty letter from eBay lecturing me on policy. Ok, it was a violation to use the name, I get it, but who is the person out there lurking in the shadows waiting on something like this? The add was not misleading at all. I was not trying to sell a cue as if it were made by someone else. Meucci clear coats the wrap and everyone knows that just like the term "Hoppe ring" is used daily on here for a 100 cues not made by Hoppe. I get so sick and tired of the people out there that look for every little thing they can to try to "get" someone. Do these people have such a miserable life that the only fun they have is hurting others. It is time to grow up! You know if this is about you, or if you have done this to someone else. You have accomplished nothing more than delaying a sale for me on eBay. It is a stupid and childish thing to prowl and look for violations here, on eBay or anywhere else. A real violation does need to be reported, but someone doing what I did, or someone bumping at 47 hour and 53 minutes instead of 48 hours on AZ billiards DOES NOT!

I agree, people like that irritate me also. My guess since it is summer time is a schoolteacher off work for the summer who doesn't have a room full of kids to ride roughshod over and somehow ended up running into you via ebay.

 

[aff]

Yikes, not sure why anyone would feel the need to report something so stupid. People mis-lead in their listings all the time, so I don't see how saying something is a particular style is wrong, when the information is accurate.

sorry it happened to you Brian.

 

[Cornerman]

Maybe it is just me, but I can't understand people. I had a listing on eBay for a cue that had a clear coated wrap, like a Meucci cue. I listed it as a Prulhiere cue in the "meucci" style. Someone reported the add to eBay as name brand misuse. Well, it was a policy violation (that I did not realize) the add was removed and I got a long nasty letter from eBay lecturing me on policy. Ok, it was a violation to use the name, I get it, but who is the person out there lurking in the shadows waiting on something like this?

I'll guess that it was a Meucci representative or Meucci dealer.

Freddie <~~~ no clear coat on my wraps

 

[sfleinen]

Maybe it is just me, but I can't understand people. I had a listing on eBay for a cue that had a clear coated wrap, like a Meucci cue. I listed it as a Prulhiere cue in the "meucci" style. Someone reported the add to eBay as name brand misuse. Well, it was a policy violation (that I did not realize) the add was removed and I got a long nasty letter from eBay lecturing me on policy. Ok, it was a violation to use the name, I get it, but who is the person out there lurking in the shadows waiting on something like this? The add was not misleading at all. I was not trying to sell a cue as if it were made by someone else. Meucci clear coats the wrap and everyone knows that just like the term "Hoppe ring" is used daily on here for a 100 cues not made by Hoppe. I get so sick and tired of the people out there that look for every little thing they can to try to "get" someone. Do these people have such a miserable life that the only fun they have is hurting others. It is time to grow up! You know if this is about you, or if you have done this to someone else. You have accomplished nothing more than delaying a sale for me on eBay. It is a stupid and childish thing to prowl and look for violations here, on eBay or anywhere else. A real violation does need to be reported, but someone doing what I did, or someone bumping at 47 hour and 53 minutes instead of 48 hours on AZ billiards DOES NOT!

Agreed, this is NUTS! So, if I were a handtool maker (maybe even hand-forged) and were selling an adjustable plier "in the channellock style," I would get a reprimand just for mentioning a name brand for functionality recognition?

They got you on a technicality, and under eBay's increased scrutiny over counterfeits and forgeries. Just mentioning a brand name for feature-recognition reasons shouldn't fall under that umbrella. There are OBVIOUS counterfeits and forgeries out there -- e.g. the "Joss II" and "Schon II" that hang-the-9 mentions. And that's sad.

-Sean

 

[kvinbrwr]

I don't see the big deal here. What you did (inadvertently) is key-word spamming, which is against eBay's policy, so they closed your auction and, as you pointed out, all you have to do is re-title and go again. I suspect they also refunded the fees so really where's the harm?

Many eBayers (myself for example) have "saved searches" that generate eMails when a new item is listed with certain keywords on the title. When eBay notifies me of a new listing of Tiffany Shell and Thread Sterling (for example) and I get all excited and take the time to view the auction all to see its some guy that wanted me to have to spend time and energy looking at "Like Tiffany" I'm firing off a complaint too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's just what happened with your listing. I'm sure you weren't looking to lure a Meucci buyer in, so eBay is just telling you, keep that word out of your title. Seems pretty fair to me.

I'm also sure that eBay sent you a standard "keyword spamming" message when they ended your auction, explaining their policy (which you said you didn't know), which again, seems only fair. I think its happened to me before and although I wasn't happy about a listing getting ended, I'm pretty sure the tone of the message wasn't that nasty.

Its also possible that Meucci is a VERO member of eBay, in which case, all they have to do is contact eBay and eBay will take your listing down, but, as I recall, that generates a far different eMail that the one it sounds like you got. JOSS ought to join that program its pretty easy.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[prulhiere cues]

Agreed, this is NUTS! So, if I were a handtool maker (maybe even hand-forged) and were selling an adjustable plier "in the channellock style," I would get a reprimand just for mentioning a name brand for functionality recognition?

They got you on a technicality, and under eBay's increased scrutiny over counterfeits and forgeries. Just mentioning a brand name for feature-recognition reasons shouldn't fall under that umbrella. There are OBVIOUS counterfeits and forgeries out there -- e.g. the "Joss II" and "Schon II" that hang-the-9 mentions. And that's sad.

-Sean

I hate that those cues are out there, but I had no intention of misleading anyone. It even said in the title it was my cue. The Meucci style was just to give someone an idea by something they would be familiar with. It never crossed my mind that it was a violation.

 

[DallasHopps]

While it is admittedly silly to report such a minor violation, I appreciate Kvinbrwr's take on the situation as well. As the person reporting, I'd judge the intent. In your case, it was a reference to a style of wrap... That's ok in my book. The people who ejaculate 600 random words onto the page so their listing spams my search results are the targets, but you got caught in the crossfire.

 

[prulhiere cues]

I don't see the big deal here. What you did (inadvertently) is key-word spamming, which is against eBay's policy, so they closed your auction and, as you pointed out, all you have to do is re-title and go again. I suspect they also refunded the fees so really where's the harm?

Many eBayers (myself for example) have "saved searches" that generate eMails when a new item is listed with certain keywords on the title. When eBay notifies me of a new listing of Tiffany Shell and Thread Sterling (for example) and I get all excited and take the time to view the auction all to see its some guy that wanted me to have to spend time and energy looking at "Like Tiffany" I'm firing off a complaint too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's just what happened with your listing. I'm sure you weren't looking to lure a Meucci buyer in, so eBay is just telling you, keep that word out of your title. Seems pretty fair to me.

I'm also sure that eBay sent you a standard "keyword spamming" message when they ended your auction, explaining their policy (which you said you didn't know), which again, seems only fair. I think its happened to me before and although I wasn't happy about a listing getting ended, I'm pretty sure the tone of the message wasn't that nasty.

Its also possible that Meucci is a VERO member of eBay, in which case, all they have to do is contact eBay and eBay will take your listing down, but, as I recall, that generates a far different eMail that the one it sounds like you got. JOSS ought to join that program its pretty easy.

Thanks

Kevin

I do see the problem with the keyword scenario. I didn't get an email about that, just one that said I listed it with another product name in the title. I do see where this would be frustrating to someone looking for a specific item. That wasn't my intent. As I said earlier, I was just using it like most people use the word Hoppie to describe a ring. You are correct, and I have learned a simple, yet valuable lesson.

 

[kvinbrwr]

I do see the problem with the keyword scenario. I didn't get an email about that, just one that said I listed it with another product name in the title. I do see where this would be frustrating to someone looking for a specific item. That wasn't my intent. As I said earlier, I was just using it like most people use the word Hoppie to describe a ring. You are correct, and I have learned a simple, yet valuable lesson.

Yup.

If all our lessons could be as easy or cheap to take or fix life would be better.

My dad told me, "we judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions" and its important sometimes to realize that it is true in the reverse. eBay wasn't policing your intent, but rather your action.

Kevin

 

[MitchAlsup]

The problem is two fold:
1) our litigious society makes it a requirement that people who own brand names protect those brand names.
2) our colloquial society thinks that speech is free--it is not when one is trying to describe what an item up for sale is (or is not).

In addition:
3) lots of people use colloquial (or much worse) english in descriptions.
4) since the internet age, and manufactures branding and stealing (i.e. licensing) every spellable and pronouncible words, one has to know the difference in spelling things like iPhone from IPhone and iphone. One is branded, the other two are not.

 

[JB Cases]

Maybe it is just me, but I can't understand people. I had a listing on eBay for a cue that had a clear coated wrap, like a Meucci cue. I listed it as a Prulhiere cue in the "meucci" style. Someone reported the add to eBay as name brand misuse. Well, it was a policy violation (that I did not realize) the add was removed and I got a long nasty letter from eBay lecturing me on policy. Ok, it was a violation to use the name, I get it, but who is the person out there lurking in the shadows waiting on something like this? The add was not misleading at all. I was not trying to sell a cue as if it were made by someone else. Meucci clear coats the wrap and everyone knows that just like the term "Hoppe ring" is used daily on here for a 100 cues not made by Hoppe. I get so sick and tired of the people out there that look for every little thing they can to try to "get" someone. Do these people have such a miserable life that the only fun they have is hurting others. It is time to grow up! You know if this is about you, or if you have done this to someone else. You have accomplished nothing more than delaying a sale for me on eBay. It is a stupid and childish thing to prowl and look for violations here, on eBay or anywhere else. A real violation does need to be reported, but someone doing what I did, or someone bumping at 47 hour and 53 minutes instead of 48 hours on AZ billiards DOES NOT!

Ebay, YouTube, Facebook and all these sites are very arbitrary with how they handle these things. Sometimes they bring the hammer down for what isn't even a violation and other times they allow blatant violations. Nothing you can do except to relist your item and try to describe it a bit differently.

Could very well have been someone at Meucci who took exception to the way you wrote it and even if you aren't in the wrong if they claim a trademark violation then it's easier for Ebay to simply close your auction down than to see it escalated with them named as a facilitator for trademark violations. To them if they side with the complaint maker then they are covering their ass completely and unlikely to lose you as a user. They count on you adjusting your listing and relisting rather than you putting up a fight and leaving Ebay forever.

That's just how it is these days when you wan to use the monolithic services. They are giants and we are peons. They only way you have a chance to really be heard is either to be a large power seller/power user, a large advertiser, or have a very influential blog/following on the web to the point where anything you write goes viral. Otherwise suck it up, adjust and move on.

 

[Jim Baxter]

The same exact thing happened to me with J/ps . I listed my j/ps for yrs, just as j/ps . Then when my sales went down , I noticed others listing them as " j/ps for Joss & Schon . So I did the same , emediatly I was threaten to be banned from E-bay for using Trade names . I don't list there any more and the ones that Screwed me , are still there doing the same thing . Jim

 

[JB Cases]

The same exact thing happened to me with J/ps . I listed my j/ps for yrs, just as j/ps . Then when my sales went down , I noticed others listing them as " j/ps for Joss & Schon . So I did the same , emediatly I was threaten to be banned from E-bay for using Trade names . I don't list there any more and the ones that Screwed me , are still there doing the same thing . Jim

You can definitely fight that. It's perfectly allowed to sell after market parts for any brand name item. You are allowed to list those brands in your description.

I am sure that if you list JPs to fit Joss, Schon and all cues with 5/16x14 pins you will not get barred.

 

[R3DS!X]

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[JB Cases]

http://www.gingersoftware.com/english-online/spelling-book/confusing-words/ad-add

Yeah, spelling police are always welcome. While I find it annoying as well I often chalk it up to being a typo rather than ignorance.

Especially as I get older and find that I am making more mistakes without realizing them.

My ex-wife, the writer, used to say it's not about the grammar it's about the content. Since we humans are able to use cognitive recognition to understand meaning from incomplete sentences proper grammar isn't as necessary as some think it is.

 

[R3DS!X]

I wasn't trying to be a dick.

The spelling police and grammar Nazis use to bug the hell out of me until I realized they were just trying to help. Now I've been recruited in the reserve.:grin: