What "plain janes" of today are destined to be the "vault queens" of tomorrow?

Ant812 said:
i would agree that there arent as many sw's made per year as what everyone believes. i also believe the 2nd market prices on them will never decrease, only increase. i am pretty confident there cues being made today that will increase in value. i doubt it will be increases like ones in the past, but an increase nontheless. unfortunatley we dont know what they will be. just like we didnt know all of those old cars would be worth a ton. i own a salvage yard that is a family bussiness. my pop crushed hundreds if not thousands of those priceless cars. :eek::eek::eek:
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Wow never thought about all those cars....better not to think about it.

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
Southwest makes 250-300 (according to the internet and I suspect more if you include pacifiers etc.) a year. That my friend is ALOT of cues, that is over 1 per day. Compare that to cuemakers who make 10 per YEAR......

Ken
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Ok, I'll bite. What cue maker makes 10 cues a year?? I'd really like to know. I've never heard of a full time guy who makes that few cues in a year.
 
Ken_4fun said:
Southwest makes 250-300 (according to the internet and I suspect more if you include pacifiers etc.) a year. That my friend is ALOT of cues, that is over 1 per day.

Ken
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Last I knew, there were 365 days in a year. According to the Blue Book, they make 250 a year. And I don't think they make many pacifiers. With the demand, I don't think that's a lot of cues. You seen to be a bit ornery about this??
 
Limited production

What cues are we playing with NOW, that we consider "players cues", or "plain janes", that we would not be playing with "if we only knew.

Don't hate me for my opinions... that is all they are :)

When I think about future collectable cues that are currently know as "players" I consider any cue that a majority of the cue enthusist/pools players believe are made superior to the others. If I am buying it for sole collectablilty I would consider popular playablity and production output. I mean Very limited production and total output as a cuemaker from beginnig to end.

I consider Art Cantando amongst the many other names that will be mentioned as a highly sought after now and highly collectable cues of the future. Never heard one bad thing about him or his cues. Plus he got some good pointers from a great guy.
 
Pushout said:
Ok, I'll bite. What cue maker makes 10 cues a year?? I'd really like to know. I've never heard of a full time guy who makes that few cues in a year.
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There are several that make around 10 per year. I know of one top cuemaker that only made 1 cue for a top collector,,,,,;)

If you want a list let me know and I will share.

Ken
 
Pushout said:
Last I knew, there were 365 days in a year. According to the Blue Book, they make 250 a year. And I don't think they make many pacifiers. With the demand, I don't think that's a lot of cues. You seen to be a bit ornery about this??
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Yes, (you are really cracking me up) but assuming they dont work weekends, only M-F and lets be generous and give them a couple weeks off on vacation, unless you are a harda$$ and make them work all holidays, weekends and no vacations!

5 days in a week,,,,50 weeks (52-2 vacation) makes 250. That makes 250 per year or about 1 per day.

I am just trying to state the facts, not being ornery at all. I do giggle when people say rare, or other. SW cues makes 10 times the number of cues some full time cuemakers make.

Hell guys, I have a SW. I really like the cue, but there are ALOT of SW cues. Take Showman, Hailey and a few others and they havent made the number of cues in their entire careers combined that SW has made in one year.

LOL

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
There are several that make around 10 per year. I know of one top cuemaker that only made 1 cue for a top collector,,,,,;)

If you want a list let me know and I will share.

Ken
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Where's Tad Kohara on this list?

(man, I'm on a tad binge lately!)
 
Impact Blue said:
Where's Tad Kohara on this list?

(man, I'm on a tad binge lately!)
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I think the birdseye cue or zebrawood is easily the most common, the others are less and less seen. The hoppe one like I have is pretty common too, IMO the second most seen Tad, and I wouldnt consider it rare either.

Most of the others I dont see often.

Ken
 
Ken -- please see post #19 in this thread. Any comments? Have you ever seen or heard of a SW cue made this decade with a number higher than 500? How about higher than 450?
 
AtLarge said:
Ken -- please see post #19 in this thread. Any comments? Have you ever seen or heard of a SW cue made this decade with a number higher than 500? How about higher than 450?
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Seen one? Hell, I own one with a higher number! :thumbup:

Pin Number on mine is 496 94

Attached is pics of cue, if you want pics of pin, thats a little tougher but I will try.

Ken
 

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Ken_4fun said:
Seen one? Hell, I own one with a higher number! :thumbup:

Pin Number on mine is 496 94

Ken
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Your cue was made in 1994. My question relates to SW cues made in this decade, i.e., the year 2000 or later. Have you ever seen or heard of a SW cue made in this decade with a serial number over 500? Over 450? What I'm trying to confirm is that their volume in recent years is nothing like 250-300 cues per year.
 
Ken_4fun said:
Yes, (you are really cracking me up)
LOL

Ken
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Don't think you need me to crack you up:D I've never considered them rare, myself, it's just that the demand doesn't seem to let up over the years. Again, this is partly due to people buying them and "putting them away". I don't think the wait time is on purpose, it's just the way they cure their wood, I've been told.
As for Searing, Barry Szamboti, and others not making more than ten cues a year, wow! I really had no idea of this and had not heard it before.
 
Ken_4fun said:
The time of buying "Gus or George" cue that for $100 and getting $25K is gone. Similiar to buying a 69 Camaro or Superbird. That window is closed and never coming back.... THERE ISNT ANOTHER WINDOW LIKE THAT AND WILL NEVER BE ONE.... There wasnt alot of cuemakers at that time like there is now. There are tons of cuemakers, tons, hell almost every town in America has a freaking cuemaker of some sort. Get over it.
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atlarge said:
your cue was made in 1994. My question relates to sw cues made in this decade, i.e., the year 2000 or later. Have you ever seen or heard of a sw cue made in this decade with a serial number over 500? Over 450? What i'm trying to confirm is that their volume in recent years is nothing like 250-300 cues per year.
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I'm looking for pictures....... If my memeory serves me well,i had a 460 something from the 2000's that i brokered for a guy.

P.S. THEY CERTAINLY MAKE MORE CUES NOW THAN THEY DID IN 94.
 
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AtLarge said:
Your cue was made in 1994. My question relates to SW cues made in this decade, i.e., the year 2000 or later. Have you ever seen or heard of a SW cue made in this decade with a serial number over 500? Over 450? What I'm trying to confirm is that their volume in recent years is nothing like 250-300 cues per year.
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Okay, okay, you got me. Southwest cues are very, very rare. They make very, very few of them. All of the documentation in blue books are a conspiracy to make everyone think that there are lots of them, but there really is just a rare few that ever make it out of LV. :confused:

In this last decade, fewer than 10 actually survived, making them the most sought after and rarest of all SW cues.....:rolleyes:

Oliver Stone has been called and filming will begin at 11:00.
:p

Do you really think that they make LESS cues now than they did in the JF era? Have you EVER been to SW cues shop? Do you have a CLUE how many people are working there?

UGH, I give.
Ken :deadhorse:
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
i'm looking for pictures....... If my memeory serves me well,i had a 460 something from the 2000's that i brokered for a guy.
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Marcus, I think I had one that was 367-07 and I got it in either Feb, or March of that year, I think, and yes I have pictures of that one too.

It was a pacifier cue, so I dont know how that figures into the count either.

Ken
 
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