What real good player/pro has bet the most on themselves?

If you are referring to any games in Vegas or against DD, I think those have to be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm surprised that none of the stakehorses have jumped in even though you said pool players shipping their own. The backers are known to be as braggadocios as can be.

I got a text that says hands down the answer is Scott Frost and everybody else is runner up
 
I've heard of SVB shipping in $40k of his own on a bet but I can't validate that. Paez was known for betting really high on himself as well. When I wrote the question though I honestly thought the answer was going to be Keith McCready or another one of the greats that made it through the 80s era
Some of the old school guys like Keith McCready and Louie Roberts were just flat out gamblers.

They often gave up the nuts and would try and out run it and go all in with every last Dime they had and could borrow lol
 
If you are referring to any games in Vegas or against DD, I think those have to be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm surprised that none of the stakehorses have jumped in even though you said pool players shipping their own. The backers are known to be as braggadocios as can be.

Yes he is a low life .
 
Yes he is a low life .

Who is the low life...I assume the Dip is the answer.

The only thing real clear about this thread is good players and pros rarely bet their own. That's painfully obvious. I think a lot cover 20% or so of bets but not much more
 
Old days, I guess it's Cooney.

For the modern days, it's SVB and the Criminal.

I know for a fact that SVB bet 5 digits of his own a few years back.
 
times change

Times change.

In the 70s there was a river of money flowing to the top players. They could cruise around the roads relatively unknown and pick up $5-20/rack action in random bars against guys that had no chance. Cost of living on the road was low. Then they'd get into routine games against local champions that also had no chance and pick up easy money.

Top players weren't afraid of betting it all and going broke because they could go right back to the well of bar hopping and local champs. The local champs weren't afraid to go broke because they'd get backed or would just win it back at the bars the same way.

All in all, there was a ton of money being gambled across the board and so the top players just weren't tight.

The last 15 years has been the opposite. Costs are record high on the road. The economy is much worse. Numbers of amateur players is decreasing, and more of them are playing in handicapped leagues at bars with bingo and poker and cornhole and karaoke than are playing in pool halls. Getting $10/rack action playing 9 ball is a long shot anymore. Everyone knows the pecking order, and no one wants to book a loser or take a shot.

So for all except for the top player in each country pool is a losing proposition. The other top players might score big but they'll be broke again when variance takes it's toll. And lord knows the local champs aren't making money. Shoot, 10 years ago I could make almost $1,000/month playing local tournaments because at least they weren't handicapped. Anymore it's probably more like $200 a month (if I still played, wonder why I'm playing more poker the last two years...). Point is I'm not reloading top pros anymore.

My point- it's not really fair to compare the gamble of a Louis Roberts or a Keith McCready to the gamble of a Justin Hall or a Chip Compton. I'm certain that if there was as much dead money today as there was in the 70s the players today wouldn't seem so nitty and would be willing to nose bleed just as high.

PS- what's shaking frosty!
 
And I'm sure this guys up real high on the list, no ones mentioned.
He's had so much up on that light before it's taken a forklift to get it up there.
He may just be the biggest.
He's got so much gamble he bet 15k on me once, not knowing me from atom.

Ronnie Wiseman
 
Who is the low life...I assume the Dip is the answer.

The only thing real clear about this thread is good players and pros rarely bet their own. That's painfully obvious. I think a lot cover 20% or so of bets but not much more

Yes dip shit is a low life .
 
Old days, I guess it's Cooney.

For the modern days, it's SVB and the Criminal.

I know for a fact that SVB bet 5 digits of his own a few years back.

I use to bet a lot with my own money .
But the way things are in pool you really can't anymore .
There just isn't any money in pool unless your top 5 in the world.
And the world is a big place .
 
Times change.

In the 70s there was a river of money flowing to the top players. They could cruise around the roads relatively unknown and pick up $5-20/rack action in random bars against guys that had no chance. Cost of living on the road was low. Then they'd get into routine games against local champions that also had no chance and pick up easy money.

Top players weren't afraid of betting it all and going broke because they could go right back to the well of bar hopping and local champs. The local champs weren't afraid to go broke because they'd get backed or would just win it back at the bars the same way.

All in all, there was a ton of money being gambled across the board and so the top players just weren't tight.

The last 15 years has been the opposite. Costs are record high on the road. The economy is much worse. Numbers of amateur players is decreasing, and more of them are playing in handicapped leagues at bars with bingo and poker and cornhole and karaoke than are playing in pool halls. Getting $10/rack action playing 9 ball is a long shot anymore. Everyone knows the pecking order, and no one wants to book a loser or take a shot.

So for all except for the top player in each country pool is a losing proposition. The other top players might score big but they'll be broke again when variance takes it's toll. And lord knows the local champs aren't making money. Shoot, 10 years ago I could make almost $1,000/month playing local tournaments because at least they weren't handicapped. Anymore it's probably more like $200 a month (if I still played, wonder why I'm playing more poker the last two years...). Point is I'm not reloading top pros anymore.

My point- it's not really fair to compare the gamble of a Louis Roberts or a Keith McCready to the gamble of a Justin Hall or a Chip Compton. I'm certain that if there was as much dead money today as there was in the 70s the players today wouldn't seem so nitty and would be willing to nose bleed just as high.

PS- what's shaking frosty!

Good post
So true
 
And I'm sure this guys up real high on the list, no ones mentioned.
He's had so much up on that light before it's taken a forklift to get it up there.
He may just be the biggest.
He's got so much gamble he bet 15k on me once, not knowing me from atom.

Ronnie Wiseman

True dat! ;)
 
Some of the old school guys like Keith McCready and Louie Roberts were just flat out gamblers.

They often gave up the nuts and would try and out run it and go all in with every last Dime they had and could borrow lol

True dat! ;)
 
Times change.

In the 70s there was a river of money flowing to the top players. They could cruise around the roads relatively unknown and pick up $5-20/rack action in random bars against guys that had no chance. Cost of living on the road was low. Then they'd get into routine games against local champions that also had no chance and pick up easy money.

Top players weren't afraid of betting it all and going broke because they could go right back to the well of bar hopping and local champs. The local champs weren't afraid to go broke because they'd get backed or would just win it back at the bars the same way.

All in all, there was a ton of money being gambled across the board and so the top players just weren't tight.

The last 15 years has been the opposite. Costs are record high on the road. The economy is much worse. Numbers of amateur players is decreasing, and more of them are playing in handicapped leagues at bars with bingo and poker and cornhole and karaoke than are playing in pool halls. Getting $10/rack action playing 9 ball is a long shot anymore. Everyone knows the pecking order, and no one wants to book a loser or take a shot.

So for all except for the top player in each country pool is a losing proposition. The other top players might score big but they'll be broke again when variance takes it's toll. And lord knows the local champs aren't making money. Shoot, 10 years ago I could make almost $1,000/month playing local tournaments because at least they weren't handicapped. Anymore it's probably more like $200 a month (if I still played, wonder why I'm playing more poker the last two years...). Point is I'm not reloading top pros anymore.

My point- it's not really fair to compare the gamble of a Louis Roberts or a Keith McCready to the gamble of a Justin Hall or a Chip Compton. I'm certain that if there was as much dead money today as there was in the 70s the players today wouldn't seem so nitty and would be willing to nose bleed just as high.

PS- what's shaking frosty!

Well, here's the skinny on that last paragraph beginning with "My point."

Players from Keith's era were road warriors going from city to city looking and hoping to get played. They would walk in bars and pool rooms as the "stranger in town." Sometimes they would play with a house cue, a metal cue even, in order to get played, while the house pro would play with their own personal cues. It wasn't always a win for the road warriors. Sometimes they got beat and would leave town with empty pockets.

The point here, though, is they stepped up to the plate and many times played blind, not knowing who or what the capability was of their opponent.

Most times today, there's so much barking back and forth, handicapping, players looking for the edge, establishing the rules to their favor. A good handicapper knows how to set up a game today where they may have the edge, kind of like Earl playing Shane on a snooker table. :grin-square:

Players who claim they want to gamble today seem to be looking for a lock or somebody to drop their wallet. They don't seem to want to gamble. They want to steal. There are a few exceptions to this, of course. I'd say Chris Bartram is one of the exceptions. He gambles the way players gambled in Keith's era.

That's my loose change to this topic. :thumbup:
 
Times change.

In the 70s there was a river of money flowing to the top players. They could cruise around the roads relatively unknown and pick up $5-20/rack action in random bars against guys that had no chance. Cost of living on the road was low. Then they'd get into routine games against local champions that also had no chance and pick up easy money.

Top players weren't afraid of betting it all and going broke because they could go right back to the well of bar hopping and local champs. The local champs weren't afraid to go broke because they'd get backed or would just win it back at the bars the same way.

All in all, there was a ton of money being gambled across the board and so the top players just weren't tight.

The last 15 years has been the opposite. Costs are record high on the road. The economy is much worse. Numbers of amateur players is decreasing, and more of them are playing in handicapped leagues at bars with bingo and poker and cornhole and karaoke than are playing in pool halls. Getting $10/rack action playing 9 ball is a long shot anymore. Everyone knows the pecking order, and no one wants to book a loser or take a shot.

So for all except for the top player in each country pool is a losing proposition. The other top players might score big but they'll be broke again when variance takes it's toll. And lord knows the local champs aren't making money. Shoot, 10 years ago I could make almost $1,000/month playing local tournaments because at least they weren't handicapped. Anymore it's probably more like $200 a month (if I still played, wonder why I'm playing more poker the last two years...). Point is I'm not reloading top pros anymore.

My point- it's not really fair to compare the gamble of a Louis Roberts or a Keith McCready to the gamble of a Justin Hall or a Chip Compton. I'm certain that if there was as much dead money today as there was in the 70s the players today wouldn't seem so nitty and would be willing to nose bleed just as high.

PS- what's shaking frosty!

Good perspective Demi and I didn't think of it much like that before. I've seen lord knows how many of these champs go bust...hell Jumpin usually busts them haha. The thing is its always relatively cheap. Backers have the money and the power...that's a problem. Then again who's got the money...Lebron or the one who writes the checks to Lebron.
 
And I'm sure this guys up real high on the list, no ones mentioned.
He's had so much up on that light before it's taken a forklift to get it up there.
He may just be the biggest.
He's got so much gamble he bet 15k on me once, not knowing me from atom.

Ronnie Wiseman

4 pages before an RW mention is crazy. He's gotta be in the top running.
 
How about Billy Incardona?



Or Rolling in His Grave GRADY MATTHEWS?


Grady ALWAYS bet his own. I remember a lecture from him once after he watched me wack up $ with a horse after a match where he said, "Why do you want to split 1/2 of what you won with your skill with someone just posting $? I replied "no risk". To that he replied, "yes there's no risk of loss, but you'll also never know the joy of walking out of the hall with your pockets jammed with Cecil's & not having to wack it up with anyone".
 
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