What tears me up...

I can live with a lot of things being called "sports" including fishing, pool, darts,etc. They all require talent, knowledge and luck, sometimes even a "gift" at that competitors given event. What I hate are the ones that need a judge to decide the outcome, like figure skating. That to me is total BS. That's not to say I don't admire the performers & God knows they work hard but if it comes down to winning a trophy on an opinion then that is not a sport to me. It's a dog show.

And yes, I do think the word "Athlete" shouldn't apply to many of the sports we love. LOL, I bet I look athletic as hell when I'm playing some of my best pool, with my beer & smokes handy!:D
 
Maniac said:
I beg to differ about bass fishing, ESPECIALLY tournament fishing. You try getting up at 3:00 in the morning, running a boat 30-50 miles down a lake in all kind of extreme weather, then trying to cast a lure 30 to 40 feet into a strike zone the size of a dinner plate, all the while standing on the bow of a boat with 4 foot swells bouncing the boat up and down like a friggin' yo-yo. Now, repeat this process for 4 straight days for a FIRST PLACE payout of about $25,000 on the average (and this is the professional B.A.S.S. tour). You think pool has got this beat as a sport??? Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. It's tough as hell!!!

Maniac

Maniac, fishing is a great hobby and i will not disagree with anything you say here. The Bass fishing VS pool debate is pointless so I will leave it alone, but I would love to hear what you think about something.

What the hell is wrong with people that play fantasy bass fishing on the internet? I mean come on, Fantasy Bass Fishing?????? please tell me between Bill Dance Outdoors and Nascar that these guys don't spend their whole day watching fishing tournaments on TV just so they can keep up with all the stats and know who to plug into their starting lineup for the next tournament.

Fantasy Bass Fishing... What will they come up with next :confused:
 
BPG24 said:
Maniac, fishing is a great hobby and i will not disagree with anything you say here. The Bass fishing VS pool debate is pointless so I will leave it alone, but I would love to hear what you think about something.

What the hell is wrong with people that play fantasy bass fishing on the internet? I mean come on, Fantasy Bass Fishing?????? please tell me between Bill Dance Outdoors and Nascar that these guys don't spend their whole day watching fishing tournaments on TV just so they can keep up with all the stats and know who to plug into their starting lineup for the next tournament.

Fantasy Bass Fishing... What will they come up with next :confused:

DEPENDS, on what comes UP...
 
seems like i might be beating a dead horse and im not sure about bass fishing because im not a bass fisherman, but among saltwater fishing in southern california there is a saying that "10% of the fishermen (or women) catch 90% of the fish". anybody can catch fish on a good day, just like anybody can break a 9 ball in against efren or flop quad rockets against daniel negreanu, the skill comes in on the bad days.
 
One thing

that Americans are good at, and that is 'exploiting' things. Look at all the 'reality' shows on TV for instance.
 
corvette1340 said:
no, I agree that dart players, pool players, and poker players do not need to be conditioned like other athletes to compete well in their respective disciplines. A lot of people said the same thing about golfers years ago until Tiger Woods and a few others came along and started lifting weights and becoming fit athletes and winning all the time. This made others start to work out and made professional golfers , for the most part, more fit and athletic. Maybe if pool players started training regimens then they would win more often, I'm not sure, but it would make a great study.
A few months ago I overheard Charlie Williams talking with someone (I think Jasmin Ouschan was standing there, but I don't think this was directed to her) about how important it is for the younger players to exercise these days. Something along the lines of you need to be in good physical condition to play top level pool today.
 
You

are silly.Fishin might be easy Catchin ain't.Same old deal 20% of the people catch 80% of the fish
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Seeing bass fishing and poker on ESPN. These are not sports. Bass fishing doesn't even require skill. And poker is a bunch of cards. Put it on the game show network!

Pool takes talent and skill. It makes me sad for all the wasted talent that could have been great, even legendary, in pool and billiards, a real sport.
I think a more accurate statement would be that fishing is a sport that can be enjoyed with some success even if you have little or no skill. Same goes for pool and poker really. But all three require great skill to be near the top. All three do require some luck. But for all three, skill is probably 95+% of what determines your level of success on any particular day. This is proven by the fact that in tournament bass fishing, poker, and pool, the same guys/gals tend to always be at or near the top of the fields in every event. There is not an even distribution of placement and winners as would be expected if luck were the primary factor.

I am not sure you are aware, but bass fishing tournaments do not allow the use of live bait, or any bait that used to be alive. They must use lures made of plastic, wood, metal, etc, you know, the type of materials that bass do not consider to be a part of their diet.

The best bass fisherman take into consideration or have to figure out most of the following, all of which can and most of which usually does have an impact on how many, and how large the bass you are catching will be:
The migration of the fish to different parts of the lake
The season and time of the year
The time of day
Storms or fronts that have passed or are coming within a couple of days
The phase of the moon
The depth of water the fish are in
The depth below the surface or above the bottom that the fish are suspended at
The weather and outside temperature
The water temperature
The water clarity
The water flow rate (mostly for rivers)
The type/color/size/weight of lure to use (the fishes preference varies by lake, and is constantly changing even on the same lake)
How to present the lure to the fish and with what type of retrieval (start and stop, constant speed, bumping lure off of objects or the bottom) and what speed of retrieval (fast, medium, ultra slow) to use to reel the lure in
Tidal flow (mostly for those areas just inland from the coast)
Wind speed and wave height
Ph level in the water
The barometric pressure and whether it is falling, climbing, or stable
Whether the water level of the lake is higher or lower than normal
Cover that is above the water as well as underwater
The type of material on the bottom of the lake in that particular area (clay, sand, rock, vegetation covered etc)
The contour of the bottom (flat, humps, holes, drop offs, old underwater road beds etc)
Type of material/color/size of fishing line to use (yes the fish knows the difference)
Type of reel and pole to use for the type of fishing and conditions
There is more but this was quickly off the top of my head

Besides figuring out and taking all of these things into consideration, the angler also has to have the skill and finesse to make the lure "dance" just right to entice the fish, be able to cast extremely accurately (often to a one square foot spot fifty feet away), be able to stand and balance on a rocking boat for an entire day, and be able to cast out and reel in lures repeatedly and non stop all day (murder on your arms).

To top it all off, the fish has already seen lures from ten other fisherman that day before you got there, and has also seen every lure and presentation imaginable from the twenty anglers a day it encounters throwing lures in it's vicinity, day in and day out, every day of its life.
 
Some believe that most fish are caught , not from hunger but from being annoyed by the object, and hence lash out at it.Jig fishing is based on this principle. No bait is used, even the jig does not imitate a fish.
 
Maniac said:
I beg to differ about bass fishing, ESPECIALLY tournament fishing. You try getting up at 3:00 in the morning, running a boat 30-50 miles down a lake in all kind of extreme weather, then trying to cast a lure 30 to 40 feet into a strike zone the size of a dinner plate, all the while standing on the bow of a boat with 4 foot swells bouncing the boat up and down like a friggin' yo-yo. Now, repeat this process for 4 straight days for a FIRST PLACE payout of about $25,000 on the average (and this is the professional B.A.S.S. tour). You think pool has got this beat as a sport??? Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. It's tough as hell!!!

Maniac

Very well said! I don't fish much, but I've seen people who DO have TALENT and SKILL. The same is true for poker. Sure, sure, there's a lot of luck involved, but at the pro level, the same faces always end up at the final tables. Those guys have skill as well.

And don't forget the huge popularity of fishing at the grassroots level. Just like golf, it's a money train in terms of the retail purchases of equipment, BOATS etc. Just walk into a Cabella's or Bass Pro Shops to get an idea of the money spent on fishing.

To the OP, it's pretty rediculous to make uninformed knocks of other sports just because you're frustrated about the lack of recognition of your own. The bottom line, what's appears on ESPN is what MORE people want to watch, That means that there are more people out there who want to watch bass fishing than pool. I wish it wasn't so, but that's the fact.

I do agree with the other side of your post. It does take a huge talent to be a pro in pool and I'm sure we'd all like to see more coverage, payouts etc.

Tom
 
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bfdlad said:
Do you think that they should call poker players atheletes? or even pool players for that matter? I have got into this argument with people before saying that dart players are atheletes. What you say?

Poker - not athletes. It's not a physical skill, except perhaps regarding the stamina to play for hours and hours. Doesn't make them athletes IMHO.

Pool - grey area. When you think of "athletics", you tend to think of speed, strength and agility (but that's not an absolute criteria). Pool skills are more like concentration and dexterity, but it's definitely a physical skill, which separates it from poker.

Darts - grey area for the same reasons.

As I've discussed before, I'm a serious competitive water skier. I train almost every day from April to October and cross train in the off season. (Is pool crosstraining? Now THERE's a question!!)

I used to call myself an athlete because of this, but a former coach of mine shared his opinion and I changed my view. I'm not an athlete.

You're an athlete if your sport is your career, and EVERY day is spent improving your skills, conditioning, mental game etc, without a "day job" to interfere. I think some pool pros would qualify based on this these criteria.

There's no straight answer because there's no clear definition of what we mean by the word "athlete". I lean towards the traditional speed, strength and agility definition.

Tom
 
IA8baller said:
OMG! I laughed my ass off after reading this.

Just so you know, I'm a proud member of PETA as well.

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

:D


Your letting me down here;) you know/KNOW its more important these days to be politically correct, than to be correct, even if its totally wrong, we don't want to make any waves, they may rock the boat, and disturb the fish, but wait batman, if we disturb the fish, we won't catch any, and then we won't hurt their mouths either, good idea.
I'm with ya on the OMG LMAO X2 and more.:D :D
 
avmaster said:
dynamite works...............:D

I've always used M-80's couple rocks in the ends, chum the fish, but don't do it around a steel pier (Boingggggggg), those sitting in there homes turn their heads, like a bee hive when its opened:D
 
Marissa

I posted a thread a few weeks ago about how I was taken by the Poker bug.

Well in that time frame. I've consistantly been able to walk away from the cash games I play Up anywhere from 70$ to 200$ per day.

So in the few weeks I've been playing Texas hold'em cash games, I've won more money, than in the years I've been playing Pool.

It's not that I am that bad of a pool player. It's just that, there are so many good players, who are out there beating up on everyone else, to win what? a weekly tournament worth 300$????
 
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