What the heck, putting my stroke on Video

Spimp13

Spimp13

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Kudos to jdxprs for putting his online and posting. I think it is a good idea to get input good and bad. Let me know what you think, regardless if "it is the worst stroke ever lol". This was done about 3-4 months ago. I definitely need to do this more often. It is not the best quality since it was filmed with Verizon's Storm, but not too bad.

2 Stop Shots, 3 follow shots with different speeds including open bridge on 3rd stroke, and 2 draw shots, one with a little draw and one with drawing into the side.

This was unrehearsed, as in the first take was going to be the one kept on file. I did not practice until I got a taped one I liked. I think my aim was a bit off on the open bridge firm follow shot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rr_laR-MFU
 
i recieved lots of good feedback, including some very detailed private messages as a result of my posting. hope you get the same! dr9ball in paticular really took his time checking it out and wrote me a long detailed message. i have a feeling he's a very good instructor.
 
You've got that side pocket shot down pat! :grin-square:

I agree about your stance. You also look as if you are not so very comfortable and a bit TOO mechanical. Get the stance down such that you are more relaxed when you shoot. Practice it enough that it all becomes more natural rather than a forced regimen.
 
Neil said:
I don't care for your stance. You are too erect, and get to the height you need by bending both knees. Doing that, you are going to tire quickly, and you are not stable. Try bending more at the waist to get to your correct height off the table, bending just one knee.

Also, try and keep the same speed on your shots. With the stop, follow, and draw you were doing, you can use the same speed on all. Just vary where your tip hits the cb.
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Thanks guys. Neil I definitely do not like my stance, as I do not feel stable and can sometimes feel myself sway a bit when I go down for a shot. It is on the list to do of "changes".

As for the second post...one of my fears, as I started a thread on it awhile back.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=160222&highlight=mechanical

With the changes I have implemented, while some are good, I see others are bad now. The too mechanical is definitely high on my concern list. I still get chastised for changing things, as people think I shot just fine before and my game has dropped a few notches (for now). I am hoping the final picture will be a big improvement from "old Matt's shooting". Thanks for the replies and keep em coming if anything different is seen.
 
Props to you for posting your vid. Agreed with others on the stance. It's too upright and tough on your legs. Try the stance in the 2 avatars above my post where as already mentioned one would bend over more at the waist so that your eyes are closer to the cue ball. Just my humble opinion of course.
 
I would like to comment on your stroke but if you would not mind can you set up on a cut shot into a corner, with the object ball about 2 diamonds from the pocket and 1/2 diamond off the rail? Like this.

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And shoot the shot with bottom right to come back as shown in black, top left to spin around 3 rails as shown in blue, and stunned into the rail with closer to center right to come back and across as in brown.

With the very limited stroke shots you were playing and simplisity of the pot it is hard to grasp your true stroke under more normal playing conditions. If you can set up and shoot those and post the video I could tell alot more. Shoot each shot 3 or 4 times.

As of right now I agree with Neil that the stance is too crouched, try to straighten your legs some and your feet don't have to be spread out that far.
 
You should position yourself so you are facing the camera. Your stroke looks ok from the side, but it looks like you are putting too much effort into everything. It looks like your stance and stroke would break down under pressure.
 
I am assuming with the stance you guys are thinking more bend with the left or front leg more with the waist wjile keeping the back leg more straight? Thanks for the additional posts. The idea was to shoot the simple shots to examine the stroke, not necessarily the ability to do different shots. Celtic and Cuetechasaurus, good ideas with shooting facing toward the camera and setting up the same shot and playing three different cue ball position making that shot. I will do both in my next vid or two. Unfortunately I just had surgery on my bridge hand so it will be about 5 weeks before they take thepins out of my pinky and ring finger. I will keep this thread in mind and do a follow up to these posts and any further posts or video requests made.

My biggest concern is of course the trying too hard, or being too mechanical. I get too focused on the process and it looks robotic at times and this is an issue. This occurs in league, tournaments and gambling of course. Not surprisingly I run a lot more racks when shooting the sh*t with friends and not caring as much...go figure. I think with some minor changes I can correct, or at least make my stance more comfortable. Thanks for all the comments and keep them coming if anything was missed.
 
looks extremely forced. you should film yourself playing a game because i'm guessing you don't line up that deliberately when you actually play
 
For anyone who wants to get a good video evaluation done, this is the way to set it up. The angle allows us to see exactly what is going on. I would also add that it might be a good idea to shoot one or two shots straight at the camera so we can see what is happening with the cue stick, but all in all, very good job.

Feedback? I see what others have mentioned about looking off balance and uncomfortable with that stance. You might want to try kicking your rear foot back about 8 or 10 inches to get lower down on the shot. It's easier than trying to bend at the back.
You also might want to pay close attention to your grip hand. As you shoot harder and harder, it looks like your grip hand might be tightening on the cue.

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
For anyone who wants to get a good video evaluation done, this is the way to set it up. The angle allows us to see exactly what is going on. I would also add that it might be a good idea to shoot one or two shots straight at the camera so we can see what is happening with the cue stick, but all in all, very good job.

Feedback? I see what others have mentioned about looking off balance and uncomfortable with that stance. You might want to try kicking your rear foot back about 8 or 10 inches to get lower down on the shot. It's easier than trying to bend at the back.
You also might want to pay close attention to your grip hand. As you shoot harder and harder, it looks like your grip hand might be tightening on the cue.

Steve
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Thanks for the post Steve. I will be trying different things in regards to the stance that have been mentioned. I do try to let my pinky hang loose forcing myself to not grip so tight, seems I need to work on this more.
 
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