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Two possibilities

EDIT: folks, nevermind the "solutions" I posed below. I obviously misunderstood the OP's terminology of "bottom left" and the solutions indicated have the wrong pocket in mind (I thought this was as applied to a foot-of-the-table view, not a literal overhead "as you see the table from your computer screen" view). Sorry about that! However, instead of deleting all the content below, I'll leave it in the hypothetical "what if your pocket were the opposite pocket" case, in the hopes it's helpful info in that instance. Apologies, -Sean

terhje said:
your hole is in the bottom left.

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Folks:

Personally, I'd take one of two options:

OPTION A
This is the safer route, and relocates two balls from your opponents side to your side of the table. Use a center-ball hit on the cue call and bank the 6-ball towards the 9-ball. You'll have to jack-up over the 5-ball, but focus on hitting the cue ball squarely, and with enough power to carom into the long rail on the opponent's side, and then off that rail ending on the short rail, about middle diamond. Don't worry about the 6-ball; just focus on the cue ball, and visualize it going the path indicated. Hit correctly, the 6-ball will hit the 9-ball with enough power to send it up-table to the short rail, and the 6-ball will go to your side of the table.

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Pros (desired result):
+ Your opponent is against the short rail and shouldn't be able to "see" the 6-ball or the 9-ball.
+ The 1-ball is hanging on the far-side of the side pocket, so any "Grady Matthews" style cross-the-face straight-back bank on the 1-ball is almost a guaranteed scratch in the side pocket.
+ He/she can only probably "bat at" the 10-ball to send it to his/her side of the table, but most likely selling-out the 4-ball to you.
+ Any attempts on the 11-ball is fraught with danger in selling-out the 8-ball to you. About the only thing your opponent can do is to bat the 8-ball away from your side of the table to his/her side, but there's a danger of selling-out to you a straight-back bank on the 6-ball.
+ Your opponent may be forced into playing an intentional scratch against the pile.

Cons:
- This shot requires a good stroke and confidence in cue ball control, to minimize the tendency for the cue ball to "hop" when hit down upon in this manner.
- There's a danger of fouling on the 5-ball when you're jacked-up over it like this (especially if you're playing "all ball fouls").
- There's a danger of selling-out a straight-back bank on the 9-ball if you miss it with the 6-ball, *and* you don't get that cue ball back down table towards the short rail.

However, the pros outweigh the cons if you've the stroke for it, and I play this type of shot with great success all the time.

Now, if you're an aggressive one-holer, here's another riskier option...

OPTION B
If you're feeling frisky and have good knowledge of how balls will travel when hit inside a cluster, you can choose this option. It's a very risky but rewarding shot if you can muster the kicking skills for it, and if you know the banking skills of your opponent. I played a shot just like this the other night, and it opened-up the game; the ball that was in the position of the 4-ball in this diagram pocketed, and I ran eight-and-out on my opponent. Too much going on in this one to describe all that goes on, but the ball paths speak for themselves.

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The key with this shot is to glance the cue-ball off the 7-ball, about a 1/2-ball hit, and focus on leaving the cue-ball against the short rail (through the billiarding pathway shown), about a diamond or diamond-and-a-half away from his/her hole.

Pros:
+ Very aggressive shot, and when executed correctly, it pushes the lion's share of the balls towards your hole, opening-up the game for a run-out, especially if you pocket the 4-ball.
+ If your opponent is left with anything, it will be "do-or-die, gotta make" cross-the-face cross-corner bank shots back to his/her hole. A miss on his/her part here would be deadly, because most of the balls are now on your side of the table, close to your hole, and that cue-ball would go up-table in-line with your hole.

Cons:
- If the 4-ball doesn't go, and you glance-off the 7-ball in a way that hits the 10-ball too full, you'll sell-out that 10-ball to your opponent, and with all the balls spread-out, he/she can score a lot of points on you if he/she is any good at controlling whitey.

What think ye?
-Sean
 
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Bottom left?

jtompilot said:
you just sent the balls to the wrong hole. Option chosen-sell out

Bottom left pocket? Viewed from which end of the table? When viewed from the foot of the table, that would be the upper pocket.

If that was not the correct pocket, my bad -- I misunderstood. I wonder if there's an option in the Wei table software to place text in the pocket saying something like "your pocket" or somesuch.

Anyway, apologies on my misunderstanding the intent of the OP's post.

Apologies,
-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
OPTION B
If you're feeling frisky and have good knowledge of how balls will travel when hit inside a cluster, you can choose this option.
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If you shoot this shot, you have to be mad at your wallet. It's not only a big NO-NO in one pocket, it's like playing newbie pool. You have no chance to score, no chance for a safe, a complete cluster breakout to your opponents pocket, which equates to no chance to win this game. Yikes!!

-td

[edit: just saw the poster was confused about which pocket was the bottom left. If you look at the pool table as drawn in the wei diagram, the bottom left pocket is, well, in the bottom left... And even looking from the head spot, it's the SAME POCKET. If you look at the table from the foot end, the bottom left would be at the upper end of the table - which is never really a choice in 1H.]
 
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Yep, my bad

td873 said:
If you shoot this shot, you have to be mad at your wallet. It's not only a big NO-NO in one pocket, it's like playing newbie pool. You have no chance to score, no chance for a safe, a complete cluster breakout to your opponents pocket, which equates to no chance to win this game. Yikes!!

-td

[edit: just saw the poster was confused about which pocket was the bottom left. If you look at the pool table as drawn in the wei diagram, the bottom left pocket is, well, in the bottom left... And even looking from the head spot, it's the SAME POCKET. If you look at the table from the foot end, the bottom left would be at the upper end of the table - which is never really a choice in 1H.]

You're correct, Thomas. I should've "read" it more carefully. However, your latter statement, "If you look at the table from the foot end, the bottom left would be at the upper end of the table - which is never really a choice in 1H," incorrectly portrayed my intended view of the table. The head of the table is always the head of the table, and the same with the foot of the table (these don't change no matter what side of the table you're on -- one always breaks from the "head end" of the table, as an example). What could possibly change, though, is "right" or "left." I've sometimes seen players colloquially refer to right or left when standing at the foot end of the table, in direct relation to his/her "right" or "left."

Anyway, regardless, I misunderstood what was the target pocket -- no doubt there. I appreciate those who called me on it.

-Sean
 
Sorry that this is a bit off topic, but would someone recommend me a site that teaches me the different game in billiard? Like Straight pool, One-Pocket, Three Cushion, Carom, Snooker and etc. I would really appreciate it. I feel that I would never be a real enthusiast and lover of the sport if I don't even understand those games. Thanks

Chino
 
Personally, I don't like shooting into the 6 or 9 due to the obstructing balls.

And the shot off the 15 is really a two-rail position shot for the bottom rail, not a 1 rail shot towards the stack. That is, it looks like hitting the 15 full enough to pull the cue ball to the stack will result in a 3 railer on the 15 towards the wrong whole if you hit it too hard. Anyway, I wouldn't move the 15 at this point in the game, as it is a sleeper ball for you.

This really isn't a difficult position. It's early in the game, and the only real scoring opportunity for your opponent is the 8 ball. There is almost no chance for a runout by your opponent unless you leave them a perfect shot for pocketing the 8 and breaking out the stack (which is somewhere above the 9 ball).

With this in mind, you have a few other options, and I wouldn't be scared to leave the long 8-ball and give my opponent 1 with 3 soldiers on my side, and the sleeper 15 ball.

Here's one suggestion that is more of a preservation shot - not too agressive, not too passive. Most people not playing for big cheese probably shoot this type of "nothing" shot early in the game.

Thin the 5 with right english, playing for the upper right end of the table (shaded in blue). The red shaded area is probably OK, but not ideal. The thicker you hit the 5, the more the 12 will move to your hole, but the less outside english you will use. Cue ball speed is more imoprtant than OB speed.

This does leave open a reply off of the 6 of 9, but this reply will leave you options on the 8 or the stack, or even a 1 or 2 rail bank on the 9.

YMMV.

-td

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For those that want to take an intentional foul when you aren't in any danger of losing the game from here - I say DOH! You have better options that won't put you in any worse of a position - and maybe even better it.

Honestly, I think you would be better off kicking 2 rails at the 8 ball than playing an intentional foul from here...

But then again, what do I know.

-td
 
chin0 said:
Sorry that this is a bit off topic, but would someone recommend me a site that teaches me the different game in billiard? Like Straight pool, One-Pocket, Three Cushion, Carom, Snooker and etc. I would really appreciate it. I feel that I would never be a real enthusiast and lover of the sport if I don't even understand those games. Thanks

Chino
onepocket.org

this forum (AZ)has a straight pool forum as well, I know some people rarely venture outside the main forum but it would be worth your while.
 
i think i wouldn't mind playing any of you guys some one hole but neil....... jmho..... some crazy shots you guys are coming up with.....
 
td873 said:
For those that want to take an intentional foul when you aren't in any danger of losing the game from here - I say DOH!

The risk of immediately losing the game isn't a requirement for taking an intentional foul. You might choose losing one ball rather than giving up two or three to your opponent, or you might choose to trap your opponent in a way that's worse for him than the immediate loss of a ball is for you. Etc.

If your only two choices here were to take an intentional foul or give up the 8 ball, which would you choose?

pj
chgo
 
T0dd-Pocket said:
i think i wouldn't mind playing any of you guys some one hole but neil....... jmho..... some crazy shots you guys are coming up with.....

You just might get some action:)

Where abouts you from?
 
One good option that I haven't seen is the two rail kick off the top rail into the diamond right beside the 8 ball with a little speed to send the 8 ball toward your side of the table and the cueball to the bottom rail.
 
Hope opponent is dumb enough to plaw the balls to his side here - the bottom ball kisses low and leaves you a bank....Cant leave u uptable....

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td873 said:
Personally, I don't like shooting into the 6 or 9 due to the obstructing balls.

And the shot off the 15 is really a two-rail position shot for the bottom rail, not a 1 rail shot towards the stack. That is, it looks like hitting the 15 full enough to pull the cue ball to the stack will result in a 3 railer on the 15 towards the wrong whole if you hit it too hard. Anyway, I wouldn't move the 15 at this point in the game, as it is a sleeper ball for you.

i've said that a couple of times but i don't think anyone agrees with us that this could happen.

This really isn't a difficult position. It's early in the game, and the only real scoring opportunity for your opponent is the 8 ball. There is almost no chance for a runout by your opponent unless you leave them a perfect shot for pocketing the 8 and breaking out the stack (which is somewhere above the 9 ball).

With this in mind, you have a few other options, and I wouldn't be scared to leave the long 8-ball and give my opponent 1 with 3 soldiers on my side, and the sleeper 15 ball.

Here's one suggestion that is more of a preservation shot - not too agressive, not too passive. Most people not playing for big cheese probably shoot this type of "nothing" shot early in the game.

Thin the 5 with right english, playing for the upper right end of the table (shaded in blue). The red shaded area is probably OK, but not ideal. The thicker you hit the 5, the more the 12 will move to your hole, but the less outside english you will use. Cue ball speed is more imoprtant than OB speed.

This does leave open a reply off of the 6 of 9, but this reply will leave you options on the 8 or the stack, or even a 1 or 2 rail bank on the 9.

YMMV.

-td

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if you shoot that shot the other player will probably cross bank the 6 to his side of the table and leave the cueball near your pocket with the stack between the cueball and the 8/6
 
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