What to do with this tip?

Dr Fretless

Dr Fretless

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to pool and have been shooting with this shaft for the last 4 months, two to three times a week. It's a Kamui Black Soft tip on it. Yesterday I saw something like a little crack, as if the uppermost layer started peeling off. I haven't used anything on the tip other than chalk and I chalk before almost every shot. Posting pictures for you to see.

Do you think it's the end for this one tip or I get a shaper or something else to keep it going?

Sorry if I posted this in a wrong forum.

Thanks a bunch.
 
Black-Balled said:
I think it is normal...that is just the tip's layers you are seeing.

Needs more chalk!
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I tend to disagree, although I'm not an expert. I had the same issue with a layered tip. I'd be willing to bet the OP could probably get a fingernail under the edge of that and peel it off.

I considered my tip trashed at that point and got a new one. Could it have been salvaged?
 
Don't sweat it. Don't manicure it. Just chalk and play. As you do, the natural abrasiveness of the chalk and (correct) chalking action, plus impact of the tip on the CB will take care of this in no time. Plus, you'll end up with the tip being "perfect" for your CB address/stroke as time goes by. Every tip has a "sweet spot" it gets to for a few months that we all love, where it is perfect in terms of bevel, texture and hardness for our style of play. You can drive yourself nuts trying to make it perfect, give it time and it will come out perfect on its own...that's the nature of layered tips, especially Kamui. That separation you're seeing is just the edge of the layer; it will wear itself down in no time, no need to grind at it. ;)
 
I posted pictures of my Samsara going through that stage a while back. Just get it down below that layer and it will be fine. what you're seeing is the last level of the top layer of the tip.
 
I agree with the "ignore it and shape it past that layer" sentiment.

I also noticed that your tip is pretty tall, I have had a very good cuemaker/repairman tell me that the Kamui tips should be brought down a bit to play good. I never liked my tips to be that high anyway so the two thoughts matched for my use.
 
Even some new layered tips look like that, just shape past it you will be fine :)


You can also just play with it. It will not effect your play.
 
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Mine would look like that when I had Kamuis. Just wait until the tip flattens out and you'll be good to go. Round tips are overrated.. and take a lot more work than I'm willing to put in.
 
Dr Fretless said:
Hello everyone,

I'm new to pool and have been shooting with this shaft for the last 4 months, two to three times a week. It's a Kamui Black Soft tip on it. Yesterday I saw something like a little crack, as if the uppermost layer started peeling off. I haven't used anything on the tip other than chalk and I chalk before almost every shot. Posting pictures for you to see.

Do you think it's the end for this one tip or I get a shaper or something else to keep it going?

Sorry if I posted this in a wrong forum.

Thanks a bunch.
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To be honest I think the tip is a bit long to begin with so it could use a little sanding. Layered tips by nature will de-laminate when a layer gets so thin. There's not much left holding on to the layer beneath it. So shape it down a bit and enjoy.

EDIT: What type of shaper do you use? Some times those cube shapers that are used leave a groove from spinning the cue in the cube.
 
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West Point 1987 said:
Don't sweat it. Don't manicure it. Just chalk and play. As you do, the natural abrasiveness of the chalk and (correct) chalking action, plus impact of the tip on the CB will take care of this in no time. Plus, you'll end up with the tip being "perfect" for your CB address/stroke as time goes by. Every tip has a "sweet spot" it gets to for a few months that we all love, where it is perfect in terms of bevel, texture and hardness for our style of play. You can drive yourself nuts trying to make it perfect, give it time and it will come out perfect on its own...that's the nature of layered tips, especially Kamui. That separation you're seeing is just the edge of the layer; it will wear itself down in no time, no need to grind at it. ;)
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Hey, this is just what I needed to hear. Thank you a lot. I just wonder your definition of "correct" chalking action.

hang-the-9 said:
I agree with the "ignore it and shape it past that layer" sentiment.

I also noticed that your tip is pretty tall, I have had a very good cuemaker/repairman tell me that the Kamui tips should be brought down a bit to play good. I never liked my tips to be that high anyway so the two thoughts matched for my use.
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Well, as I'm so new at this and don't have enough experience with various tipsand heights to have a preference, I just wanted to start with what's hip now, like the low deflection shafts and this kind of tip. Hopefully when I'm done with this tip, I'll have hit with all the possible heights of a Kamui Black Soft.

Limpkinw said:
Even some new layered tips look like that, just shape past it you will be fine :)


You can also just play with it. It will not effect your play.
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I'm now thinking of just playing with it. Haven't felt anything wrong with its hit anyway.

Cdryden said:
To be honest I think the tip is a bit long to begin with so it could use a little sanding. Layered tips by nature will de-laminate when a layer gets so thin. There's not much left holding on to the layer beneath it. So shape it down a bit and enjoy.

EDIT: What type of shaper do you use? Some times those cube shapers that are used leave a groove from spinning the cue in the cube.
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I don't have a shaper, I'm yet to put anything other than chalk on this tip. Yes, guess it is as tall as it gets. One more reason I keep it that way is, well where I live, OB and carbon fiber pad thing is not known and I'm still looking for a repair guy who could take care of this job smoothly. Don't want to run out of playable tip before I find my cuesmith.

Plus I don't know how to use tip shaping tools. I hardly ever miscue and this tip holds chalk quite well, this is the first time I thought I might need a shaper.

Thank you all for the insight. And it's great to see bassists around here. Groove on :dance:
 
Dr Fretless said:
Hey, this is just what I needed to hear. Thank you a lot. I just wonder your definition of "correct" chalking action.



Well, as I'm so new at this and don't have enough experience with various tipsand heights to have a preference, I just wanted to start with what's hip now, like the low deflection shafts and this kind of tip. Hopefully when I'm done with this tip, I'll have hit with all the possible heights of a Kamui Black Soft.



I'm now thinking of just playing with it. Haven't felt anything wrong with its hit anyway.



I don't have a shaper, I'm yet to put anything other than chalk on this tip. Yes, guess it is as tall as it gets. One more reason I keep it that way is, well where I live, OB and carbon fiber pad thing is not known and I'm still looking for a repair guy who could take care of this job smoothly. Don't want to run out of playable tip before I find my cuesmith.

Plus I don't know how to use tip shaping tools. I hardly ever miscue and this tip holds chalk quite well, this is the first time I thought I might need a shaper.

Thank you all for the insight. And it's great to see bassists around here. Groove on :dance:
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I understand. I would be a good idea for you to invest in a decent shaper, they are extremely easy to use and are fairly cheap, just don't over use it. A good tip should last you a very long time. I play between 25- 30 hours a week and 1 tip could last me as long as a year. It also helps that I don't hit the ball at warp speed on every shot and I use a different cue to break with. Good luck.
 
Dr Fretless said:
Hey, this is just what I needed to hear. ...when I'm done with this tip, I'll have hit with all the possible heights .... Groove on :dance:
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Which brings up what nobody has specifically said yet:
There's more layers after the ones you see now. Expect the process to repeat again and again and again...and again and again.
 
Cdryden said:
I understand. I would be a good idea for you to invest in a decent shaper, they are extremely easy to use and are fairly cheap, just don't over use it. A good tip should last you a very long time. I play between 25- 30 hours a week and 1 tip could last me as long as a year. It also helps that I don't hit the ball at warp speed on every shot and I use a different cue to break with. Good luck.
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Cool. I have a break cue. Just hit straight pool breaks with this one-no warp speed I think. I don't get to play that many hours either.
Just checking out your blog now. Good stuff and very nice layout.




Black-Balled said:
Which brings up what nobody has specifically said yet:
There's more layers after the ones you see now. Expect the process to repeat again and again and again...and again and again.
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Yeah, guess I'll have to learn how to deal with that. It's cool unless the tip is torn away.
 
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