What would you do here??
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Push to the top rail
I would push to the top rail using the 8 as a blocker and dare him to jump it since the combo is way off. If he gives it back I would jump at it with this in mind. Hit the 2 full and stop the CB. The two will carom off the 9 and hopefully go to the other long rail and if I get lucky maybe behind the 6
Neil said:It's your first shot after the break. Pushout option available, jumps allowed. The 2-9 is sitting to where with ball-in-hand, the carom is a gimmie on the 9. However, kicking to the bottom rail and spinning into the 2 to carom the 9 is 'iffie' at the very best. I really don't think it will go, but I have been wrong once or twice before.The eight is sitting to where if you just miss hitting it, the cb will hit just on the 2 side of the middle diamond. You have about a ball and a half to two balls space between the cb and the 8.
I would push to the top rail using the 8 as a blocker and dare him to jump it since the combo is way off. If he gives it back I would jump at it with this in mind. Hit the 2 full and stop the CB. The two will carom off the 9 and hopefully go to the other long rail and if I get lucky maybe behind the 6
If the 2 to the 9 combo will not go, I just push down to the corner closest to the 7, right near the rail....
If the 2 to 9 combo is possible, then I use a little curve, hit the bottom rail and kick the 2 and break those up.....
It looks like a jump might be very difficult that close and bih would be an immediate loss, so I'm out on that.....oh, and apologies, I don't know how to use cuetable...
If the 2 to 9 combo is possible, then I use a little curve, hit the bottom rail and kick the 2 and break those up.....
It looks like a jump might be very difficult that close and bih would be an immediate loss, so I'm out on that.....oh, and apologies, I don't know how to use cuetable...
Against a weaker player, I might try to push like this:
And hope that they fire at the combo. From that angle, if they get close at all to making the combo, it appears to be a dead scratch with the cueball beating the 9 into the pocket. If they pass it back, I would shoot the shot on page 2. Depending on the score, I might try this against a stronger player as well. With there only being 7 balls on the table, and the 2/9 being the only trouble spot, you gotta figure to get the worst of it against a strong player anyway.
Aaron
And hope that they fire at the combo. From that angle, if they get close at all to making the combo, it appears to be a dead scratch with the cueball beating the 9 into the pocket. If they pass it back, I would shoot the shot on page 2. Depending on the score, I might try this against a stronger player as well. With there only being 7 balls on the table, and the 2/9 being the only trouble spot, you gotta figure to get the worst of it against a strong player anyway.
Aaron
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Neil said:It's your first shot after the break. Pushout option available, jumps allowed. The 2-9 is sitting to where with ball-in-hand, the carom is a gimmie on the 9. However, kicking to the bottom rail and spinning into the 2 to carom the 9 is 'iffie' at the very best. I really don't think it will go, but I have been wrong once or twice before.
Very interesting layout Neil.
I can't find a real good push-out option. I'll have to take a look at it again later.
Thanks for the headache
Neil said:
For me I am just trying to get myself in position for a better attempt. I know that I would have left a tough situation but its better than the first option.
I would try something like this if possible .. on my kick out push I would try and make sure i didnt get out too far leaving a kick off the 2 into the 9.
Neil said:
Moving the 7 does make the runout a bit easier, but only marginally I think. I wanted to freeze the cueball to the rail, and using the 7 as a stopper seemed like a good way to ensure I got tight, but it's certainly not the only way to do it if you really wanted to leave the 7 where it is or move it to a place that would make the runout tougher.
The reason I wanted the cb on the rail is that that 2/9 combo might actually be makeable (without scratching) if you can draw the cueball enough, but it would be next to impossible for a weaker player to get the proper amount of draw while maintaining accuracy if they're frozen to the rail. My hope would be for them to fire at it and scratch. At the same time, however, being frozen to the rail wouldn't be much of a hindrance for my shot if it were passed back to me, because I would want to use extreme follow with no sidespin anyway. I know the shot looks a little weird, but I would put the emphasis on getting the correct speed and angle on the 2-ball so that my opp. would at least have a tough shot if I missed.
BTW, thanks for posting the scenario. I enjoy these "what would you do here" threads.
Aaron
I like my buddy Frankincalis solution to kick the two down table.
For me if I felt comfortable with it I would push out so that if it was given back to me I would softly hit the two to the nine, positioning the nine toward the pocket and follow the cue ball into the nine for the win. Maybe someone can diagram it for me on the cuetable. I don't know how to do it. Maybe Frankincali can do it for me.
The balls seem to be in position for this. If they are then I would be careful of leaving this for my opponent with my pushout.
For me if I felt comfortable with it I would push out so that if it was given back to me I would softly hit the two to the nine, positioning the nine toward the pocket and follow the cue ball into the nine for the win. Maybe someone can diagram it for me on the cuetable. I don't know how to do it. Maybe Frankincali can do it for me.
The balls seem to be in position for this. If they are then I would be careful of leaving this for my opponent with my pushout.
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poolfire said:
i like this, but i would use the 3 ball and maybe 2-rail towards the 2-9 and try to mess up the combo and drag the cue ball towards the corner pocket (top right in the picture).
Neils quote: To Dabarbr- I thought of that shot. I didn't go for that one because it is a sure sell-out if you miss, and you have the chance to scratch if your timing is off a little. I did do something equally as 'tricky' though. Can anyone figure out what it was??
I'll give the 'night shift' time at it, so I will post what I did tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Neil, the shot that I suggested is not a gimme sellout if when you push out you lock up the eight and three. This coincidently leaves the cue ball in the best position to kiss the nine ball in.
However I would hesitate to push the cue ball to this location because a high level player would have a very high percentage of making the nine.
I set it up a good number of times and had a very good success rate. When it didn't go it was not a complete sellout, especially with the three and eight tied up. Both the cue ball and the nine stayed close to each other near the pocket (taking the opportunity of draw away) and the two ball did leave the area.
The scratch is not an issue once you get the nine moving, the nine will cover a lot of space in front of the pocket. The key to this shot is to position the cue ball to where nothing is required but a natural roll on the cue ball. If my opponent optioned to push out like I described I would not hesitate to take that shot.
I am interested in seeing what you did. It's always good to know all the options available to us so that we can select the best for that given situation. That way we don't second guess ourselves. If things don't work out at least we knew we didn't make a hasty decision.
I'll give the 'night shift' time at it, so I will post what I did tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Neil, the shot that I suggested is not a gimme sellout if when you push out you lock up the eight and three. This coincidently leaves the cue ball in the best position to kiss the nine ball in.
However I would hesitate to push the cue ball to this location because a high level player would have a very high percentage of making the nine.
I set it up a good number of times and had a very good success rate. When it didn't go it was not a complete sellout, especially with the three and eight tied up. Both the cue ball and the nine stayed close to each other near the pocket (taking the opportunity of draw away) and the two ball did leave the area.
The scratch is not an issue once you get the nine moving, the nine will cover a lot of space in front of the pocket. The key to this shot is to position the cue ball to where nothing is required but a natural roll on the cue ball. If my opponent optioned to push out like I described I would not hesitate to take that shot.
I am interested in seeing what you did. It's always good to know all the options available to us so that we can select the best for that given situation. That way we don't second guess ourselves. If things don't work out at least we knew we didn't make a hasty decision.
Depends on your personal strengths here, and how exactly it lays. My first choice :
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And second - some low left, slight curve.
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If you don't like either one of these responses, you might simply roll out to the side rail near the upper corner.
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And second - some low left, slight curve.
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If you don't like either one of these responses, you might simply roll out to the side rail near the upper corner.