What Would you Do Here?

[lodini]

I liked Actionhound and Jude's shot options. My only concern would be the banking options left and the safety play back. It's amazing how if you don't walk around the table on these shots, you don't even see all the options. This shot never even occurred to me Bad exercising on my part!! Thanks for the input!!

The Bank-Kicking it in options just scare me! Though I really just enjoyed the creative thinking so thanks SuperGreenMan & Uwate! However, just for clarity, the CB and 7 were extremely close together. The double hit is very very possible. It's hard to show that on Cuetable. Probably should have written that in.

I agree. I attempted to do this and sold out the shot!! I made a poor decision and then on top of that poorly executed the shot, and deservingly so, racked the balls for my opponent! BAD GG, BAD!!

Patience is what I didn't have and it cost me. I actually thought to tap it and hope to freeze it, and just went, "ah, whatever!"

Oh, patience, why do you abandon me so often??

Extremely creative! Again, the double hit would be a factor hear as well. The CB & 7 were very very close. But if you hit it right, I could see how this would be an option. But I agree with Jude, the sellout here could be dangerously looming, especially at my low-handicapped capabilities. But thank you Bob for yet another option I never even considered!

Russ, where do you think they got the grass, and do you think they're local????

Thanks SJM, I really love reading them and learning from them and figured why let you and Jude have all the fun!!! This is a good place to tap into some creative minds about pool! Even better than Yahoo Pool! LOL Jude

Thanks9ballrun! Anyone else heading to the Ocean State Championships this weekend in Rhode Island??

TD873, WOW! I'm so impressed that you actually went and shot the shot for a bit! Kudos to you for being so proactive!! I'd have quoted your whole post, but my post looks pretty long already!! But I like the word "Doh!" so I had to include it! Your testing seem to concur with SJM right? Thanks for the insight! I went and tried it on a table myself and I did like the tapping of the 7 best as well!!

Again, thanks again guys for all you help!! I really enjoyed reading everyone's ideas!!

I totally love you and your long-as-hell post! I also give you the award for most exclamation points at a time, as always But on a serious note, I also really enjoyed this thread so thanks to you and everyone who responded for taking the time and effort to really think about it. Each idea was very creative, and like you GG, I also have a hard time figuring out every possible choice before I settle on the wrong one Everyone keep these "what would you do" threads coming!

 

[supergreenman]

Yelh. For the cheese, if I had a gun to my head. lol.play safe...

OK for all you chickens out there, I set the shot up last night and tried it 10 times. Here's the results worst to best:

3 fouls, missed the ball completely
made contact but missed the pocket 5 times and only once totally sold out
pocketed the ball twice and had shape for the 9

I'm a high B to low A player, there's lots of better players out there than me, but if I can make it 2 out of 10 times, then it should be a viable shot for a decent player.

It's not that hard of a shot.

And once again to reiterate, it wasn't my first choice.

Yes, I'm calling all you naysayers chicken!!!!!!

 

[iba7467]

JEEZ! you guys are probably missing the easiest safety in the world! take your cue, hold it toward the tip near the ferrule (the tip is facing you) with your fingers of both hands (let the butt rest on the table) and stand on the side of the 7 ball. with the slightest of finger motion, PULL the tip into the CB and gently nudge the CB against the 7 ball.

as long as you have one hand on your cue, it is not a foul.

this is a trick that a pro once taught me.

and the chances that the OB will freeze is that much greater than if you tried to do a normal finesse shot to freeze the OB and at the very lease, you leave your opponent in a shape much worse than you. if he somehow makes the shot, you're just going to have to let it go. you did the best you could. all the other shots shown require a certain level of skill to pull off the safety or make the shot and has a decent chance of you selling out.

I am having problems visualizing this shot. Could you illustrate/post video link.

 

[GG11]

I totally love you and your long-as-hell post! I also give you the award for most exclamation points at a time, as always

HAHA, I do like "exclaiming" things don't I??!!?? <- LOL

OK for all you chickens out there, I set the shot up last night and tried it 10 times.
I'm a high B to low A player, there's lots of better players out there than me, but if I can make it 2 out of 10 times, then it should be a viable shot for a decent player.
It's not that hard of a shot.
And once again to reiterate, it wasn't my first choice.
Yes, I'm calling all you naysayers chicken!!!!!!

Well, that'd be a hard shot for me!! But thanks for taking the time to try it out. I guess I am a big 'ol chicken, but I still like the safe best.

Ba - GAWWWK! LOL

 

[Jimmy M.]

I'd just tap the 7 as well. Ideally, I'd like it to freeze to the rail and force my opponent to do something other than just tap it back. However, even if it doesn't freeze and, worse case scenario, my opponent freezes it, I'm still in no worse shape playing something else than I would have been had I decided to play something else in the first place.

 

[td873]

Banking the seven into the side would require a thin cut and a very hard hit on the cue ball. Odds are, the cue ball is going at least three rails, and will need to go at least five to get a good leave on the nine. But.................

Two different positions. To accurately reproduce the position in another post, the wei code from that post must be copied in.

Oh, man - I'm busted! Please beware that I am so ultra sneaky that I try to trick posters by changing Wei diagrams in David Copperfield fashion! Also, please do not rely on my examples, because they are grossly inaccurate and do not represent - in any way - actual shots or results. And since the diagrams I posted reflect the way I set up these shots, they should not in anyway be relied upon in actual game situations that remotely resemble the original post, because the Wei layouts are so substantially different that no one could possibly understand or interpret the results. DO NOT USE MY DIAGRAMS!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!! RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU USE DIAL!!!

Seriously though, I specifcally prefaced my post with the location of the balls I used. I set it up based on my print out of the original post.

I set this up with the 7 ball about 1/8" from the rail and the cue ball about 1/2" from the 7. The center of the balls lines up to be about at the top point of the corner pocket by the 9. But I note that moving the cue ball just 1/2" in any direction can significantly alter the shot.

Unfortunately, I doubt I was able to reproduce the shot exactly as incountered and represented in the original post due to the inaccuracy inherent in a reduced representation of a pool table. And, I don't think you can actually set up this shot based on the original Wei diagram without making some assumptions like: how far the balls are apart (the original Wei table doesn't give that); how far the 7 is from the rail (the original Wei table doesn't give that); the angle of the balls (the original Wei table doesn't give that); the exact location of the 9 (the original Wei table doesn't give that). Heck, I don't even know what kind of balls, rails, cloth, etc. are being used. So I had to guess. Sorry.

IMO, my drawing of the Wei table does not affect executing shot - and regardless of the Wei table representation, the location of the balls is as I described it, not as drawn. As I pointed out, without exact locations of the balls, a slight 1/2" change in location makes the shot different. Thus the reason I indicated where I set up the balls. Wei table diagram notwithstanding.

Lastly, anyone that can guage distances to within 1/2" based on Wei diagrams, please let me in on your secret. Also, sorry to those that thought my post was unclear, ambiguous, or inaccurate. I was just trying to help through example. But apparently the detail hounds were out

-td

Just for the record, when you try to double click the balls to get the lines to show up - sometimes they move, ever so slightly. This happens even if you edit the original diagram. It doesn't mean anyone is trying to pull a fast one...

 

[Russ Chewning]

Hey SJM,

I missed your reply. I already know what your return safety would be and you're probably one of about 3 posters on azb that would play it. I say I may be the underdog against YOU but I'm not so sure against most. What is great with your idea is that there the simplicity in execution. You almost can't mess it up.

Hey now.. That's not fair... You and I have been in agreeance on a massive amount of these hypothetical shots... And I have been submitting my answer before seeing anyone else's...

Russ

 

[sjm]

Oh, man - I'm busted! Please beware that I am so ultra sneaky that I try to trick posters by changing Wei diagrams in David Copperfield fashion! Also, please do not rely on my examples, because they are grossly inaccurate and do not represent - in any way - actual shots or results. And since the diagrams I posted reflect the way I set up these shots, they should not in anyway be relied upon in actual game situations that remotely resemble the original post, because the Wei layouts are so substantially different that no one could possibly understand or interpret the results. DO NOT USE MY DIAGRAMS!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!! RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU USE DIAL!!!

Seriously though, I specifcally prefaced my post with the location of the balls I used. I set it up based on my print out of the original post.

Unfortunately, I doubt I was able to reproduce the shot exactly as incountered and represented in the original post due to the inaccuracy inherent in a reduced representation of a pool table. And, I don't think you can actually set up this shot based on the original Wei diagram without making some assumptions like: how far the balls are apart (the original Wei table doesn't give that); how far the 7 is from the rail (the original Wei table doesn't give that); the angle of the balls (the original Wei table doesn't give that); the exact location of the 9 (the original Wei table doesn't give that). Heck, I don't even know what kind of balls, rails, cloth, etc. are being used. So I had to guess. Sorry.

IMO, my drawing of the Wei table does not affect executing shot - and regardless of the Wei table representation, the location of the balls is as I described it, not as drawn. As I pointed out, without exact locations of the balls, a slight 1/2" change in location makes the shot different. Thus the reason I indicated where I set up the balls. Wei table diagram notwithstanding.

Lastly, anyone that can guage distances to within 1/2" based on Wei diagrams, please let me in on your secret. Also, sorry to those that thought my post was unclear, ambiguous, or inaccurate. I was just trying to help through example. But apparently the detail hounds were out

-td

Just for the record, when you try to double click the balls to get the lines to show up - sometimes they move, ever so slightly. This happens even if you edit the original diagram. It doesn't mean anyone is trying to pull a fast one...

Ok, TD, perhaps I went overboard and I'm sorry. Actually, your analysis of the defense was superb, and the comments in your post were generally well-considered. I just noticed your diagram was slightly different than the original, which is the one other posters had analyzed. You are so correct in saying how the slightest change in the position makes a world of difference here.

If there's one thing I take a way from this thread, it's that when introducing a postion to the forum in a "how would you play ths?" thread, it's best to offer maximum supporting detail, and I'm going to strive to do exactly that. As you noted, no matter how long you spend examining the diagram, you can't tell exactly how far the seven is from the cue ball, and yet in this post it is of the utmost importance if you are going to be diligent enough to set it up on a pool table.

Anyway, TD, hope there are no ill feelings here. Your are obviously an excellent poster and a valuable member of this forum and I look forward to all of your future posts.

 

[td873]

Anyway, TD, hope there are no ill feelings here. Your are obviously an excellent poster and a valuable member of this forum and I look forward to all of your future posts.

No ill feelings at all. I'm glad there are watchdogs out there. It ensures we are promulgating accurate info.

Besides, if I got all up in a tizzy everytime someone said "I don't agree with you" - my head would probably explode. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff

Thanks for keeping the forum honest.

-td

 

[9ballprodigy]

I am having problems visualizing this shot. Could you illustrate/post video link.

uh... i don't know how to post on youtube or anything like that, but i'll try my best to describe it even further. if anyone has a pics or can post a video if they know what i'm talking about, feel free.

1) stand on the side of the table where the 7 is. face the 7 so that the rail and the 7 is between you and the cueball.

2) put you cue on the table without letting go of it by holding the top 3-4 inches of the cue. the cue should be pointing at you. the butt (and majority of the weight) should be resting on the opposite long rail across from you.

3) you are bending over the cue ball and 7ball (they should be right under your chin). with your forearms and elbows resting on the rail that is between you and the 7. the blade of your hand is on the bed of the table.

4) just to recap so far. you are bending over the CB and 7. your elbows are on the rail. the CB and 7 are about under your chin.with your head about a foot above them. the cue is resting on the opposite rail with the top 3-4 inches (tip and ferrule end) pointing at you and being gently gripped by the thumb, index, and middle finger of both hands.

5) now with the slightest motion using the muscles of only your fingers, pull the tip into the cueball just enough to touch it.

imagine disemboweling yourself with a toothpick. that is somewhat of the motion you should have. except you are gently stabbing at the cueball into the 7.

i hope this explains everything.

if not, i'll have to take some pics and figure a way to post them here.

btw... tonight, i pulled this move on someone when playing in the finals of my college tournament. the situation was almost exactly as described in this thread except it was the CB and the 9. the guy missed the 9 and left me in this situation. i pulled the move and had the entire room and the opponent in confusion as to whether or not it was a legal move. it was, and all the experienced players backed me although they themselves have never seen such a manuver. the 9 froze and my opponent tried to play some sort of safety but left me a shot in the side. that's how i won 1-0 in a race to 3.

oh and btw, i won. 3-1. spotting him the 8.

 

[WesleyW]

If you hit the 9-ball too thick, it still goes in

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[Snapshot9]

The best shot

is to simply graze the 7, go 2 rails to the opposite side of the table from the 7 with the cue ball being as even to the 7 as you can, because then even if your opponent tried the corner bank or the side bank, he would not have shape on the 9, and therefore is confronted with shooting 2 very difficult shots in a row, and I will take those odds any day. Or he will have to duck in someway, and ducking on the 7 with cue ball straight across is not that easy as it looks, and especially to get the 7 on the head end rail.

 

[sjm]

is to simply graze the 7, go 2 rails to the opposite side of the table from the 7 with the cue ball being as even to the 7 as you can, because then even if your opponent tried the corner bank or the side bank, he would not have shape on the 9, and therefore is confronted with shooting 2 very difficult shots in a row, and I will take those odds any day. Or he will have to duck in someway, and ducking on the 7 with cue ball straight across is not that easy as it looks, and especially to get the 7 on the head end rail.

I don't agree. Underhit the speed and you leave a two way bank in the side, and if opponent makes it, whether they're good on the nine or not, they are near it, so you're a heavy underdog. Overhit the speed and you'll leave a two way bank in the corner. Even if you execute your shot well, I'll reply with the shot below (just less than a quarter ball hit with center ball follow and a touch of left english), and you'll be a big underdog to win the rack. I do agree with you, however, that if you execute your shot, opponent will likely have a hard time leaving the seven on the bottom rail, for they won't want to chance the twice across duck as the seven could go in, a result that would likely lose te rack.

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