What Would you Do Here?

GG11

GG11

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This situation came up last night in a match I played. The 7 ball is NOT frozen. I thought to simply tap the 7 ball and hope to freeze it against the rail, but then just decided to push the cue ball up table and leave a long shot. It didn't work and I lost the rack. So what are some other options here?

BTW, I'm right-handed.
 
i would play the safety here, and thin the 7 ball on the right side and leave the cue ball on the end rail by the 9, (you may even get lucky and hook your opponent behind the 9 ball).
 
The key here it to make sure you don't leave an easy bank in the side-pocket and you do this by making sure the angle is too wide. Because you're so close to your work, you can make sure you hit the 7-ball extremely thin allowing it to crawl only a few inches and you should be able to gauge the angle the cueball will have. Bonus points if you freeze the cueball to the end-rail.

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GG11 said:
[This situation came up last night in a match I played. The 7 ball is NOT frozen. I thought to simply tap the 7 ball and hope to freeze it against the rail, but then just decided to push the cue ball up table and leave a long shot. It didn't work and I lost the rack. So what are some other options here?

BTW, I'm right-handed.
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I like Judes safety, however, if you're feeling brave, this 2 rail kick with inside english isn't that much of a stretch.

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that shot looks bankable. it looks to be about as hard of a bank as it is to get really safe, so why not shoot. There is an easy safety but it leaves a very makeable shot for your opponent. If you dont get the cueball froze on the safe or if the object ball leaks out off the rail a bit too much....

i say go down swinging here.
 
uwate said:
that shot looks bankable. it looks to be about as hard of a bank as it is to get really safe, so why not shoot. There is an easy safety but it leaves a very makeable shot for your opponent. If you dont get the cueball froze on the safe or if the object ball leaks out off the rail a bit too much....

i say go down swinging here.
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watch out for that double hit!!!
 
supergreenman said:
I like Judes safety, however, if you're feeling brave, this 2 rail kick with inside english isn't that much of a stretch.

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Wow, if I saw my opponent shooting this, you could probably catch me looking for my cue.
 
uwate said:
that shot looks bankable. it looks to be about as hard of a bank as it is to get really safe, so why not shoot. There is an easy safety but it leaves a very makeable shot for your opponent. If you dont get the cueball froze on the safe or if the object ball leaks out off the rail a bit too much....

i say go down swinging here.
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The bank is ridiculous. First, it's REALLY tough to make. Second, even if you do make it, the cueball is going to race around the table and probably settle about 9 feet away from the 9-ball. Seriously, if you ever wonder why you lose tough games - look no further than this decision.
 
The first player to separate the cue and the seven ball here is the underdog to win the rack, with one exception which I'll soon touch on.

Thinning the right edge of the seven will almost surely give up a simple duck (possibly one rail, possibly two rails) of the seven to the top rail, or even worse, a two way bank of the seven in the side in which the cue can be brought back to the bottom rail.

Against a strong player, I'm tapping the seven to the rail and awaiting further developments. Even if I don't freeze it, my opponent may opt to play the safety, which would please me. If not, one of us will eventually freeze the seven and the other will be forced to play that safe. If my opponent is able to freeze the seven, I'll play the safety in a way that tries to leave my opponent bridging over the nine on their next shot, and if I can execute that, I've eliminated my opponent's edge in the safety battle.

Patience is the winning formula here, in my opinion.
 
Seriously, these responses are insane!


I'll put a nice little twist on GG's scenario here. Let's say the game is for $5,000. What do you do?
 
as usuale its hard to tell from just a picture as opposed to the real thing but I would consider the bank because you'll have shape for the 9 if you bank it long it will leave a hard shot;


if you cant beat the kiss or if the bank just isnt there I would roll up on it if i was playing a weak player,

if i was playing a strong player i would go for the bank or get the CB by the 9 by hitting the 7 thin and putting it into a impossible bank and playing the CB by the 9. you have to play both balls in this case.
 
sjm said:
The first player to separate the cue and the seven ball here is the underdog to win the rack, with one exception which I'll soon touch on.

Thinning the right edge of the seven will almost surely give up a simple duck (possibly one rail, possibly two rails) of the seven to the top rail, or even worse, a two way bank of the seven in the side in which the cue can be brought back to the bottom rail.

Against a strong player, I'm tapping the seven to the rail and awaiting further developments. Even if I don't freeze it, my opponent may opt to play the safety, which would please me. If not, one of us will eventually freeze the seven and the other will be forced to play that safe. If my opponent is able to freeze the seven, I'll play the safety in a way that tries to leave my opponent bridging over the nine on their next shot, and if I can execute that, I've eliminated my opponent's edge in the safety battle.

Patience is the winning formula here, in my opinion.
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good post.
 
GG,

I'm sorry, you've come to the wrong place for advice. You could have probably done better asking someone on Yahoo Pool.
 
GG11 said:
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This situation came up last night in a match I played. The 7 ball is NOT frozen. I thought to simply tap the 7 ball and hope to freeze it against the rail, but then just decided to push the cue ball up table and leave a long shot. It didn't work and I lost the rack. So what are some other options here?

BTW, I'm right-handed.
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It's hard to say but it looks like you can hit the 7 thin on the right side and use left english and draw on the cue ball to billiard the nine in. The combination of draw and reverse side spin gets angles that look impossible to beginners. The shot should be safe if you miss.
 
sjm said:
The first player to separate the cue and the seven ball here is the underdog to win the rack, with one exception which I'll soon touch on.

Thinning the right edge of the seven will almost surely give up a simple duck (possibly one rail, possibly two rails) of the seven to the top rail, or even worse, a two way bank of the seven in the side in which the cue can be brought back to the bottom rail.

Against a strong player, I'm tapping the seven to the rail and awaiting further developments. Even if I don't freeze it, my opponent may opt to play the safety, which would please me. If not, one of us will eventually freeze the seven and the other will be forced to play that safe. If my opponent is able to freeze the seven, I'll play the safety in a way that tries to leave my opponent bridging over the nine on their next shot, and if I can execute that, I've eliminated my opponent's edge in the safety battle.

Patience is the winning formula here, in my opinion.
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Hey SJM,

I missed your reply. I already know what your return safety would be and you're probably one of about 3 posters on azb that would play it. I say I may be the underdog against YOU but I'm not so sure against most. What is great with your idea is that there the simplicity in execution. You almost can't mess it up.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It's hard to say but it looks like you can hit the 7 thin on the right side and use left english and draw on the cue ball to billiard the nine in. The combination of draw and reverse side spin gets angles that look impossible to beginners. The shot should be safe if you miss.
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The problem with fishing - for every time you make that shot, you'll leave it near that pocket about 10 times. That means, the only thing your opponent will need to worry about is simply pocketing the 7 and they win. The effectiveness of any safe has to do with the location of the 9-ball. It's very difficult to position for. Take that out of the equation and you're either getty very lucky or losing.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The problem with fishing - for every time you make that shot, you'll leave it near that pocket about 10 times. ...
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I think we have another AZB challenge shot to try at DCC. I believe Wei is making a list.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It's hard to say but it looks like you can hit the 7 thin on the right side and use left english and draw on the cue ball to billiard the nine in. The combination of draw and reverse side spin gets angles that look impossible to beginners. The shot should be safe if you miss.
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I am very impressed with the creativity here, Bob. Whether one adopts this line of play or not, all should take note of the fact that the nine CAN be played, without losing control of the seven, if the cue ball path is modified with left hand draw. I still feel that the defense you'd produce on a miss has no value at all, as the next safety on the seven will be lethal, so I wouldn't chance this. Nonetheless, I loved your post.
 
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