What would you do?

I would punt.

Don't know that I'd prescribe what you did...but one ant doesn't tell another what to do.

That shit makes people weak in the knees!;)
 
Nice out Neil!

I sometimes surprise myself in the heat of the moment, so I won't say that I wouldn't go for the out, but the inclination I have right now is to use the easy safety behind the 7-ball to try to create something simpler.

Against a weaker player, I like two-railing the 1-ball at the 2-ball, hoping for it to stop short and leave a manageable 1-9 combo. Decent speed and freezing to the 7 should preclude them from shooting an easy long rail kick to hit the 1.

Against a strong opponent, I would probably play the safety on page 2. Tuck the 1 down below the 2/5 and freeze to the top of the 7. The hit on the 1 is very difficult from there, and with the 1 down there, I have more offensive and defensive options for my next shot. A good player may just tie balls up after I do that, but I'll be happy playing another safety if it's too messed up. If I got BIH, though, I might play the 1 into the 3/6 like you did with the cueball, which would open the rack up real nice.

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Again, nice out.
Aaron
 
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Nice out. But why pass up an easy chance to glue your opponent on a ball? You even had the chance to kick the 1 towards some other balls for an easy 3rd safe. Again nice out, but bad choice for most players(IMHO). To go for that run I would have to be facing an inexperienced opponent, or have a huge lead.
 
i sure would like too see anyone run this out not easy i tell yah not going for the 9 or safe straight run out an too shoot the 1 like Niel did with low left an get around the 7 like he did good shooting but i still like too see someone do this
 
robleyf7 said:
i sure would like too see anyone run this out not easy i tell yah not going for the 9 or safe straight run out an too shoot the 1 like Niel did with low left an get around the 7 like he did good shooting but i still like too see someone do this
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I agree with ya. For someone to say that this is an easy out is nuts. IMO, if you're playing to win, and not to showboat, you have too many potential problems to say "F it, I can probably get out here".

Short of a world beater, I'll give anyone 10 tries at this and lets see if they run out more than 6-7 times (no combo on the 9).


Eric
 
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safe, safe, safe.

freeze to the (from the layout's perspective) 9:00 side of the seven, rolliing the one ball one or two rails (depending on exact placement) to an easy BIH combo on the nine. if you freeze the CB where i said, he'll have to kick uptable.

-s
 
Neil said:
Diamond barbox (7'). Had this layout the other nite. What would you do here with BIH? I thought I'd try for the runnout, and got it. I'll show later how I did it. How would you run it?

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I'm with Mully here.
Going for the 3-foul.If he rearranges the furniture too much you can
always change your game plan.

Neil,you're a maniac for running out here....
..but you wouldn't be a bad guy to have in the next fox hole...:smile:
 
Neil said:
Again, I'll say that I feel too many of you are stuck on what the whole table looks like, and aren't breaking it down. I really wish a few of you would re-read what I have written about this out, understand what I have said, and then set up the exact same layout on a barbox and try it.

But, try it with a positive mindset, not one trying to prove it is too hard to do. Only thing you MIGHT have to change on the layout is the 1-7. The one will not go in the bottom corner past the 7, and will not go in the side. Upper top corner is the only open pocket for it. That said, in my diagram, it looks like you have to immediately go forward with the cue ball, and then have it back up. Set it up so a medium hard stun shot will still miss the 7. THEN the cb backs up a little for position.

If you actually try this out, the way I described, I believe a number of you will be very surprised that it is not as hard as you want to think it is.
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In the WEI thing, the 3 appears to be ovelapping the 6 a lil meaning that you would have to play a tickie (carom off the 3, then off the head rail, then hit the 6). If that is the case, I would be willing to give you 10 tries to run out the rack, with a line of 6. If you cant run out more than 50% of the time, the runout, IMO, aint the best move.


Eric
 
I just don't understand why you're preaching the viability of running this out. Statistically, you've got to be 50/50 at best just hitting the first shot you described with that funky draw off the rail. If you disagree, you're lying to yourself.

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i agree the 1 can be made that niel shot it an bring the cb around the 7 like he did but only on a very new an slick cloth if the cloth grips tomuch i don.t think it can be done an as for the run out i will try this set up i shoot pretty sporty u have too get perfect shape on every shot

Good Job Niel if u really did run this out running this out is very tough an my Hats off too u my friend
 
Neil said:
Guys, I'm not trying to impress anyone here with a runnout. What would be the point in that???...

I know these shots, so they aren't a problem to me. ...;)
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To you, a higher % out than for most.

Damn solid out. Again, that's the type of stuff that makes opponents fold...and separates the men from the boys.
 
steev said:
I just don't understand why you're preaching the viability of running this out. Statistically, you've got to be 50/50 at best just hitting the first shot you described with that funky draw off the rail. If you disagree, you're lying to yourself.

-s
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It's not that bad of a shot on a bar table.

As for going for that out, I probably would rather just play a safety. Going for the out has too much that can go wrong. Of course I rarely play barbox, so I'm not really accustomed to the strategy of it.
 
Neil said:
It is a little, and no you don't. All you have to do is just miss the 3 with follow and a lot of left and medium speed. The cb will compress the rail, come off the rail, hit the 3, and the spin and follow will propel perfectly into the 6. Try it.
Neil, that is what a "tickie" is, or, what I mentioned originally.
Or just ask dabarbr, he knows, and even posted that this is what he would do with the 3-6.
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Neil said:
Guys, I'm not trying to impress anyone here with a runnout. What would be the point in that??? I'm using this runnout to try and teach some concepts about how to look at the rack. If you aren't even willing to try these 3 shots, meaning the one, the carom off the three, and the combo 2-4, which are your only situations in this rack, then I am wasting my time trying to teach some advanced concepts on here. And, quite frankly, they really aren't that advanced. More like overlooked concepts.

Thanks for looking down on us, the unwashed masses. The funny thing is that your level of play aint that high to be condescending, Neil.

I know these shots, so they aren't a problem to me. If you think they are crazy, low percentage, or just showing off, try them at least ten times and get a good feel for them. Then, you will have them in your bag for later. If you want to just flatout dismiss them, then that is your loss. Have fun staying at whatever level you are at.

See above

Oh, for those of you that will try at least the shot on the one, don't be too surprised when you get too much draw and end up on the other side of the 9!
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Neil, I tried the runout as you depicted. Granted, I tried on a 9' GC (I don't have a barbox) and I still maintain that the runout aint "high percentage". Some areas I found to be tricky; 1. pounding the 1 ball to draw it across the table with the CB only being within a few inches from the OB. 2. You need to be fairly straight on the 2 to play the combo. Too much angle makes it real dicey. 3. you have to hit the tickie on the 3 pretty firm to pocket the 6, sending the 3 into outer space. A couple of times, teh 3 didn't land in a great spot. Oh, don't forget that you have to be fairly straight on the 3 to play the tickie. Too much angle, and you're screwed.

That said, the runout is a low percentage out, for me. Perhaps you can show us a video of you running this out? Film it 10 times in a row.


Eric
 
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Eric. said:
Perhaps you can show us a video of you running this out? Film it 10 times in a row.


Eric
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I second that. If you make it seven out of ten, I'll publicly apologize for doubting you. Til then, maybe talking down to the whole internet isn't your thing.

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steev said:
I second that. If you make it seven out of ten, I'll publicly apologize for doubting you. Til then, maybe talking down to the whole internet isn't your thing.

-s
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oh, and unless it's 9 out of 10, i'm still playing safe there.

-s
 
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