What would You do?

Would You tell Your Opponent they are shotting the Wrong ball?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • No

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • Total voters
    32
Hmmmm….

I am torn. If it’s someone shooting a purple 5 with a pink-ish 4 that looks a lot like orange (like the f-ing 4-ball looked in person at the Florida Open), yeah, probably would say something.

Nah, I would point it out regardless.

I will never understand the steadfastness of Matchroom’s inability to admit they f-ed up making the 5-ball purple.
 
FranCrimi said:
I think in the absence of a ref the opponent still can't alert his opponent because in the absence of a ref, the players are required to referee their match. A referee can't warn a player that he's shooting the wrong ball, therefore, his opponent, acting as a referee at that point, also can't warn the player.
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In championship play this is probably the proper way to do it, especially if the match isn’t a final. Protecting the field; it can affect other players in either a group stage or bracket.
 
JPB2 said:

These were from the website. Chapter IV Fouls, Article 41 subpart 11. Are these not current? This is what I was saying that to me the UMB rule requires the ref to make the call, thus implying that the opponent can’t call it. Asking seriously. Why do you say ref can’t call it.
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You missed the 'Key' word, If during the inning or in the course of a serie the referee states that the player does not play with his ball (indicated by "wrong ball");

That would be 'Any points past a 'Single point'!

The match is to 50, the score is 49-49!
 
vasilios said:
sometimes a house tourny they let the reef handle all fouls -
If you get caught in a flip flop a ref will punish the last shooter -
so you got to be careful when you speak up -
that gets pretty wild when both shooters went 5 & 3 in consecutive shots -
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I can see both sides of this BUT I have no idea what a reef is
 
mr3cushion said:
You missed the 'Key' word, If during the inning or in the course of a serie the referee states that the player does not play with his ball (indicated by "wrong ball");

That would be 'Any points past a 'Single point'!

The match is to 50, the score is 49-49!
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How is it not during the inning if the ref calls it- especially if promptly after the stroke? “Or” is a pretty key word too.
 
JPB2 said:
How is it not during the inning if the ref calls it- especially if promptly after the stroke? “Or” is a pretty key word too.
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I've played 3C for over 60 at a Top level, I've played in several International/World events!

Other than in Local tournaments I've never seen an 'Official Ref' call the foul on the shooting player in this Exact example!

BTW, do You play 3C?
 
mr3cushion said:
I've played 3C for over 60 at a Top level, I've played in several International/World events!

Other than in Local tournaments I've never seen an 'Official Ref' call the foul on the shooting player in this Exact example!

BTW, do You play 3C?
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I do play 3 cushion. Not well. As I said above, in the small tournaments I have played, most players would alert their opponent if they noticed. They might not notice. I know your accomplishments, but you should not use those accomplishments to support the logical fallacy of an appeal to authority. That is what you are doing in your post. I may be wrong. That’s why I asked. But I found, read, and cited the translation of the rule that appears on the UMB website. What you say does not seem to be what the rule says

That could mean several things. The rule could be poorly drafted and the UMB procedure and ref training is different from what the rule says. It could mean the translation from French to English is poor. It could be other rules address the situation. It could mean your experience varied from what the rule is. Or it could mean you are incorrect. Seeing an example from international play with a ref involved might help. If you know of them, tell me/ us. I’m not trying to be difficult, I ASKED. And your response is not an actual answer, it is a classic logical fallacy.
 
JPB2 said:
I do play 3 cushion. Not well. As I said above, in the small tournaments I have played, most players would alert their opponent if they noticed. They might not notice. I know your accomplishments, but you should not use those accomplishments to support the logical fallacy of an appeal to authority. That is what you are doing in your post. I may be wrong. That’s why I asked. But I found, read, and cited the translation of the rule that appears on the UMB website. What you say does not seem to be what the rule says

That could mean several things. The rule could be poorly drafted and the UMB procedure and ref training is different from what the rule says. It could mean the translation from French to English is poor. It could be other rules address the situation. It could mean your experience varied from what the rule is. Or it could mean you are incorrect. Seeing an example from international play with a ref involved might help. If you know of them, tell me/ us. I’m not trying to be difficult, I ASKED. And your response is not an actual answer, it is a classic logical fallacy.
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So, 'My' Actual experience in World 3C events isn't good enough for You! Ok.

The 'Interpretation' is bad!
 
JPB2 said:
I do play 3 cushion. Not well. As I said above, in the small tournaments I have played, most players would alert their opponent if they noticed. They might not notice. I know your accomplishments, but you should not use those accomplishments to support the logical fallacy of an appeal to authority. That is what you are doing in your post. I may be wrong. That’s why I asked. But I found, read, and cited the translation of the rule that appears on the UMB website. What you say does not seem to be what the rule says

That could mean several things. The rule could be poorly drafted and the UMB procedure and ref training is different from what the rule says. It could mean the translation from French to English is poor. It could be other rules address the situation. It could mean your experience varied from what the rule is. Or it could mean you are incorrect. Seeing an example from international play with a ref involved might help. If you know of them, tell me/ us. I’m not trying to be difficult, I ASKED. And your response is not an actual answer, it is a classic logical fallacy.
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You are not dealing with someone who has a solid grasp on the concept of logic.

Good luck.

Lou Figueroa
 
mr3cushion said:
So, 'My' Actual experience in World 3C events isn't good enough for You! Ok.

The 'Interpretation' is bad!
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OK. Why? Your post didn’t address the question at all. You cited one clause of the rule after the word “or”. If you are right and the rule isn’t interpreted my way by the UMB, perhaps you should tell them to amend it.
 
JPB2 said:
OK. Why? Your post didn’t address the question at all. You cited one clause of the rule after the word “or”. If you are right and the rule isn’t interpreted my way by the UMB, perhaps you should tell them to amend it.
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I've Never seen it done in this Exact example in 60 years!

I'll take that up at the next board meeting!
 
No, I completely stopped trying to be helpful to my opponents in leagues.

In the past, every time I thought I was being helpful and told my opponent they were about to hit the wrong ball etc, it just made them embarrassed or mad I would say anything to them.

It's a lot easier to never say anything unless asked. If they shoot the wrong ball then ask why I didn't stop them, I simply say "I wasn't sure what your intentions were, and it sure isn't my responsibility to find out".
 
MitchAlsup said:
When it become obvious he is lining up on the wrong ball and before he goes down.

Why ?? Because some people have honor inherent in their character.
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the modern USBA wrong ball rule is so weak it really does not matter what ball you shoot -
Your answer is good for being a nice guy -
 
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