What Would You Do?

[cuetechasaurus]

Lets say you are playing in a big regional tournament, a couple pros and a bunch of shortstops are present. You are pretty far in the tournament, and lets say its single elimination. You and your opponent have been playing real good pool. It goes hill-hill, and the winner of this match advances to the quarter-finals.

Your opponent has a routine, fairly easy shot on the 9ball. He or she gets down on the shot, takes a few practice strokes and then is about to hit the cueball, when suddenly a drunken customer trips over some obstruction nearby and bumps into your opponents cue. That causes him to miss the 9ball badly. You are left with an easy shot. Your opponent had no way of knowing someone was walking by, and the bump obviously caused him to mess up the shot.

The drunk person was not a setup or anything, it was just some loony that tripped on something.

Lets say the tournament director is a moron and doesn't know what to do.

By the way, I don't know of any tournament where this has happened, its all just a hypothetical situation. Would you..... (see poll)

(By the way, lets say the rule in this particular tournament/tour is that the call is totally up to the incoming player in a situation like this)

 

[cuetable]

I don't see a poll here.

Either way, this incident is going to be remembered by you (or me) for a while, if not for the rest of the life.

If it's me I'd say tell the truth, either set the same shot up or just give in the game and congrat the person. Having that good feeling is better than winning with a shadow.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

I don't see a poll here.

Either way, this incident is going to be remembered by you (or me) for a while, if not for the rest of the life.

If it's me I'd say tell the truth, either set the same shot up or just give in the game and congrat the person. Having that good feeling is better than winning with a shadow.

There should be a poll on top.

 

[Snapshot9]

As I said

in the duplicate thread (are you wanting to go red again???), I would play the last game over WITH THE ORIGINAL BREAKER BREAKING.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I'm not an expert, but if it were me... I'd set it up and let them shoot the shot, with no interference.

Playing the rack over is a disservice to the shooter, since they had an easy shot on the 9 previously (which they earned). It's not their fault someone almost tackled them during the shot.

I think the gentleman thing is for the incoming player to setup the shot as it was... and allow the shooter to make/miss it on his/her own accord.

I think the reason why you have to do this, is if you didn't, every time your opponent had a hill-hill 9-ball you could setup someone to "mistakenly" fall into them, thus allowing you to replay the game and give you a 2nd chance. Re-setting-up-the-shot is the only way to avoid cheating, IMO.

 

[Irish634]

Sorry, this was supposed to be a poll. Please delete

Rule 3.35 deals with this. Replace the balls and replay the shot... unless they can't be replaced then replay the rack. No penalty.

3.35 NON-PLAYER INTERFERENCE
If the balls are moved (or a player bumped such that play is directly affected) by a nonplayer during the match, the balls shall be replaced as near as possible to their original positions immediately prior to the incident, and play shall resume with no penalty on the player affected. If the match is officiated, the referee shall replace the balls. This rule shall also apply to "act of God" interference, such as earthquake, hurricane, light fixture falling, power failure, etc. If the balls cannot be restored to their original positions, replay the game with the original player breaking. This rule is not applicable to 14.1 Continuous where the game consists of successive racks: the rack in progress will be discontinued and a completely new rack will be started with the requirements of the normal opening break (players lag for break). Scoring of points is to be resumed at the score as it stood at the moment of game disruption.

 

[seymore15074]

As the player in the chair, I would give him the match. However, I still beleive that it is HIS responsibility to be award of surrounding conditions while he is shooting--there should be no exceptions.

If I was shooting, I could only blame myself when my opponent proceeds to win the match; if he let's me have it, I'll take it.

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This kind of question is very similar to fouling. If I foul, I hand the cue ball away; BUT if I'm in the chair, it is MY responsability to watch for fouls by my opponent.

 

[8-Ball Player]

I dont know if I would rerack and play again, because if you win then your opponent will feel so down on himself for not takeing that shot a split second sooner and most likely winning the game. I would set it up the best I could and let him take the shot again, if he won,, then owell, at least you could sleep that night without a guilty conscience.

Afterwards go beat the heck out of that drunk guy and get him kicked out.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

So I guess the question should be - Do you follow the rules or do you try to cheat your opponent out of a legitimate shot at winning?

 

[seymore15074]

Rule 3.35 deals with this. Replace the balls and replay the shot... unless they can't be replaced then replay the rack. No penalty.

This is why I would give him the match...wasn't it an easy shot to begin with? ...we're talking regionals, he isn't going to miss it.

So I guess the question should be - Do you follow the rules or do you try to cheat your opponent out of a legitimate shot at winning?

Nice!

 

[PKM]

So if it's not the final shot, and a lot of balls are disturbed, you're supposed to re-rack?

I would guess more people would be willing to continue playing in that scenario (I've seen that happen, not in a big tournament though)

 

[metallicarokerx]

down here in all the tornaments your screwed if that happens.. the rule is to just be aware of your surroundings.. and ive only seen that happen once in 4 years

 

[dabarbr]

down here in all the tornaments your screwed if that happens.. the rule is to just be aware of your surroundings.. and ive only seen that happen once in 4 years

Normally the shooter should be aware of his surroundings, but in this case the post read that there was no way the shooter could see this coming. In this case set them up and have him shoot or just give it to him.

 

[iowa_player]

Give the person the match. he/she deserved it.

If it was an easy shot he or she prob. would have made it anyway .

 

[supergreenman]

I notice that nobody has said anything about taking the drunk out back and teaching him some manners.......

 

[VIProfessor]

I think the obvious and honorable thing to do is to simply set the shot back up and have the player shoot it again.

I wouldn't just give him the match because in any competition other than a practice or friendly match, I believe that you should concede absolutely nothing! If you stick around pool long enough you'll see even the best players miss a relative hanger in a tight situation. I won't bother to call any names, but I can easily recall a few televised instances--by the very best players in the world!

 

[buzzsaw]

Lets say you are playing in a big regional tournament, a couple pros and a bunch of shortstops are present. You are pretty far in the tournament, and lets say its single elimination. You and your opponent have been playing real good pool. It goes hill-hill, and the winner of this match advances to the quarter-finals.

Your opponent has a routine, fairly easy shot on the 9ball. He or she gets down on the shot, takes a few practice strokes and then is about to hit the cueball, when suddenly a drunken customer trips over some obstruction nearby and bumps into your opponents cue. That causes him to miss the 9ball badly. You are left with an easy shot. Your opponent had no way of knowing someone was walking by, and the bump obviously caused him to mess up the shot.

The drunk person was not a setup or anything, it was just some loony that tripped on something.

Lets say the tournament director is a moron and doesn't know what to do.

By the way, I don't know of any tournament where this has happened, its all just a hypothetical situation. Would you..... (see poll)

(By the way, lets say the rule in this particular tournament/tour is that the call is totally up to the incoming player in a situation like this)

I haven't seen it happen exactly the way you described it, but I have seen people on the next table get up and back into someone on another table. They were just not paying any attention, and I believe, most of the time, they tried to replay the same shot.

It's definitely an interesting discussion. I've played many a person that would take advantage of that situation and not even bat an eye.

 

[Stones]

This brings up an interesting idea.

How about a full contact pool tourney? One time during a match you are allowed to tackle your opponent while he is shooting!

Bet'cha the TV ratings would go through the roof. LOL

Just kidding!

Stones

 

[PoolSponge]

Reset the shot IMO. I want to win or lose with a clear conscience regardless. I can't imagine hoisting a trophy only to see the looks in peoples faces knowing I didn't deserve it. That image and stigma will follow you longer than anyone remembering who won the tourney. In turn, by acting in a sportsmanlike manner, that too will follow you for life.

In short, it's bad karma.

 

[I rack balls]

I would play it over, technically they missed. Although I do not see this happening in this stage of a tournament because 10 people would have stoped the idiot from walking into him. I might have stopped them before they bumped them..............

Eric.