What Youngsters Want Old Masters Cues?

I thought Tasc changed and went away from building like Bushka.

I identify as 32, yes both please
Jason

If so the one thing Tasc didn't change is adhering to the same attention to detail as George. That was one thing Pete had told me was one of Georges greatest qualities. He never did anything that wasn't ready to be done. In other-words he never rushed anything.

I identify as an old Fellini waiting for that special one...Oh, thats right, I already have it...:wink:
 
I have a Gus, and the amount of deflection is way too much for me, as I've been using LD shafts for 20+ years. I guess if you had a LD shaft that would fit on the Gus butt I could play with it, but I seriously doubt Barry would be interested in helping me out with that.

Hope aint lost yet. There's a lot of makers that can make you a shaft using a low deflection blank and match the ringwork....:)
 
I’ve played with them thanks to a friend who flips a lot of cues and I have zero desire to own one. I respect the craftsmanship and what they did for cue making but To me they just don’t play all that well.
 
Mine all have "real" bumpers too. I don't own any Gus or George Hoppe style cues.

Cues with just Gus forarms were ok but not my cup of tea unless made certain makers. As for Rambo and Spain, there's an ass for every seat.

Glad to see you were exposed enough to recognize having a Gus or George may be worthwhile.

It only took an unemployed drummer to teach me the way. Let me know if you want to drop the quotation marks. I bought a lot of "real" items in Chinatown that the vendors wouldn't acknowledge.
 
Old vs New

If you need a cue to play that has a magical shaft i doubt your ability. Ld,composite,lakewood,kielwood.I saw each of those this weekend at a tourn. One guy had Revo on breakcue and player.Everyone of the top players today can play with any of these things (Oh my gosh even maple).Shane grew up playing with a Schon Buddy could play with a tree branch.Its still the indian Find the Squaw you love and dont covet thy neighbors.
 
I am 45 and I would not buy a bushka or szamboti !!!

I think that the owners of these high dollar cues are realizing that the market of buyers is severely diminished!!!

Cue collectors is a dying breed!
The millennials are about function and technology...

I would love to own Toby Sweets bushka but only for sentimental reasons and give to my dad. But, not for bushka prices that will never be re-cooped.

Kd

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If you need a cue to play that has a magical shaft i doubt your ability. Ld,composite,lakewood,kielwood.I saw each of those this weekend at a tourn. One guy had Revo on breakcue and player.Everyone of the top players today can play with any of these things (Oh my gosh even maple).Shane grew up playing with a Schon Buddy could play with a tree branch.Its still the indian Find the Squaw you love and dont covet thy neighbors.


I agree but each player ought to experiment a little bit with different cues to see what fits them best. There’s no shame in trying out old cues, new technology, or what you see the pros use and liking it. I hear very few players (if any) pretending their stick will make them play better. I hear more players putting those words in someone else’s mouth. The most I do hear is someone thinking one stick can apply more spin than another which (A) may or may not be true and (B) is still separate from actually playing better.


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I agree but each player ought to experiment a little bit with different cues to see what fits them best. There’s no shame in trying out old cues, new technology, or what you see the pros use and liking it. I hear very few players (if any) pretending their stick will make them play better. I hear more players putting those words in someone else’s mouth.


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I think that is false!

Weight and balance is critical to the swing of the cue and the repetitiveness of your stroke. So, a back heavy cue will perform different from a front heavy cue and a neutral cue.

Your mileage may vary! But, just my 2 cents.

Kd

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I think that is false!

Weight and balance is critical to the swing of the cue and the repetitiveness of your stroke. So, a back heavy cue will perform different from a front heavy cue and a neutral cue.

Your mileage may vary! But, just my 2 cents.

Kd

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I think all of that mostly affects how it feels to the player. I think the difference in effect applied to the cueball is completely within the player’s range of control. It’s all about how well you can synchronize up with the cue. Not really that one is “better”, instead that one is more “suitable” (for you).

Granted some things are bad, e.g. screw-on tips, graphite shafts, etc. But I assume we are talking about comparisons high above that level.


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I would like one just to play and see how it shoots for a day and then I will sell it and buy a more cheaper modern cue. Nobody cares about old cues for unless they inherited them. Especially when there are so many great cues to be had such as Predator Revos, BE cues and Mezz.

New generation of players don’t care for the pretentiousness of a fancy cue. Cue collecting will soon go away as the old school makers pass on. For example I know of Scruggs cue and there are young players who never heard of him.

As collectors horde these cues there will be fewer and fewer demand for these cues. Never heard of it and don’t want it.
 
I am 45 and I would not buy a bushka or szamboti !!!

I think that the owners of these high dollar cues are realizing that the market of buyers is severely diminished!!!

Cue collectors is a dying breed!
The millennials are about function and technology...

I would love to own Toby Sweets bushka but only for sentimental reasons and give to my dad. But, not for bushka prices that will never be re-cooped.

Kd

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As you said, you're 45 so opinion isn't relevant to my question...
 
Watching this thread with great interest. It's almost like a moderator is handling the discussion, as I did with the historic cue thread. And this is an honest one. What would or do the youngsters want, and more importantly, use...

Plenty of sub-alternatives though. Does the youngster actually have to pay for the George or Gus? At their stage in life, they probably can't afford it, especially if married with children.

On the other hand, if it were available at whatever cost they paid for their last cue, but had to use it, would the youngsters use the classic cue? Guess a sub / sub category would be, do they have to play it as it is, or can they put a low deflection shaft on it? Maybe a different response. And, they are not allowed to sell the cue for a huge profit. They have to keep using that cue. See how that would swing opinions. Interesting, I would think.

At any rate, have to admit, I'm 63. I don't think I count, but think there are some variables here... :-)

All the best,
H
 
I think that is false!

Weight and balance is critical to the swing of the cue and the repetitiveness of your stroke. So, a back heavy cue will perform different from a front heavy cue and a neutral cue.

Your mileage may vary! But, just my 2 cents.

Kd

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I think you may be lacking some reading comprehension skills lol he was agreeing with you saying you should try different cues of all sorts to see what you like. Lol
 
fewer and fewer demand

crazy wording and economics as well

I suppose he should have said less and less demand

but that would make no sense either as what we all know to be true is
that as supply decreases demand increases and prices go up

but I suppose he really means is that he has no interest and
assumes everybody shares his feelings

I have had 100s of youngsters interested in buying Szamboti and
quite a few wanting Balabushkas so it would appear that many still want the old master cues

even if many don't
 
I think you may be lacking some reading comprehension skills lol he was agreeing with you saying you should try different cues of all sorts to see what you like. Lol
I think that you are correct!

I was too consumed by the notion of cues not helping performance as insinuated ...

Kd

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Like classic cars, the big names will always bring big money.

More garden-variety beautiful, historic cues have little appeal at high prices but a new set of buyers should come around when they get to the $1000-$3000 range. Sub $1000 even better.
 
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