What's the advantage of an ivory joint?

[Tennesseejoe]

I guess you guy just don't give a rats azz about what you are doing to the chicken, cattle, turkey, veal, pig, and fish populations of the world. Just elephants huh! How about all the human fodder good ol' GB is laying down.
Purdman

Well Purdman---I can prove you are not a vegetarian---You can't get a fat azz like that from eating lettuce.lol.

 

[BrooklynJay]

Poor Bambi's dad died for some of these.

HEY! That's some really nicely figured wood you got there...*drool*

 

[bruin70]

I was standing near the cue makers booths at one BCA Trade Show and the assembled wisdom,,,,,,,,,,,,average.

the experiment to which you refer was with rempe and loree jj. and all they ever played with at the time were meucci's. you put any hard joint in front of someone who's only been playing with meucci's and he won't tell the diff.. also,,,just exactly HOW CONTROLLED was the expirement?

i'd be willing to surmise that the "experiment" was meant more to fool the participants rather than a fair test, and this could easily be done by simply mixing up all the cues.

it is way too easy to tell the diff between an ss an ivory. = same cuemaker,,,same construction(weight balance, ferrule,,,woods,,,everything!),,,everything the same except the joint. use any player who is familiar with both. or any cuemaker.

 

[Bob Jewett]

the experiment to which you refer was with rempe and loree jj. and all they ever played with at the time were meucci's. you put any hard joint in front of someone who's only been playing with meucci's and he won't tell the diff.. also,,,just exactly HOW CONTROLLED was the expirement?

i'd be willing to surmise that the "experiment" was meant more to fool the participants rather than a fair test, and this could easily be done by simply mixing up all the cues.

it is way too easy to tell the diff between an ss an ivory. = same cuemaker,,,same construction(weight balance, ferrule,,,woods,,,everything!),,,everything the same except the joint. use any player who is familiar with both. or any cuemaker.

The test had a bunch of participants. From John's post:

... This went on for 2 full days and hundreds of individuals participated
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I think none of us really knows whether a more controlled experiment would yield a different result. I don't believe it would; you do believe it would. There is an obvious test to do. Until that test is done, I think it's a little early to make statements like yours above.

 

[CrossSideLarry]

Ivory Joint According To Ernie Gutierrez:

A few years ago I had the good fortune to visit Ernie Gutierrez, a cuemaker in North Hollywood, California, maker of "GINA CUE". Ernie was a great guy and took the time to show myself and my companion around his shop. I was so impressed with what I saw and heard that I decided on the spot to order my own Gina Cue. I ultimately chose the 17B model. When we got into the specs on the cue, I knew I wanted a leather wrap and an ivory butt cap but I was not sure about getting ivory joint and ivory ferrules? When I asked Ernie for his opinion, he advised me to go with the ivory joint and the ivory ferrules with Moori medium tips. When I asked him why, he explained that it was his belief that a pool cue should be alive from but to tip (butt rubber not included) He went on to say that when the entire cue is "alive", the frequency of the vibration is more consistent and energy is transmitted more evenly through the cue. In other words, the butt is ivory joined to wood and at the joint rejoined with ivory out to the ferrule of ivory. Now, please don't shoot the messenger. I merely wanted to pass on what Ernie shared with me. I am aware that he has made cues with all types of joints and those cues I'm sure all hit well regardless of joint type. Those of us on this board who hold Ernie's opinion in high regard, may wish to ask him on their own... Don't just take my word for it! I can say for certain that I love the hit on both my cues with ivory joints, including Gina, and Jim Buss. Having said that, I also have a Jack Madden cue with a non ivory joint and it too hits awesome. Jack is making me a couple of heavier shafts from heavier wood and I can't wait to see how they will play? In the final analysis, I believe the hit is more shaft dependant than joint dependant but that is just my opinion!

Good question though.

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best and beat the rest"

 

[ScottR]

Poor Bambi's dad died for some of these.

For what part of the cue do you use that PVC pipe laying underneath that purdy wood and ivory????

 

[Purdman]

Well Purdman---I can prove you are not a vegetarian---You can't get a fat azz like that from eating lettuce.lol.

Dam Joe, that really hurt!!! Ya, know, that's why I played so bad in Nashville. I knew you were looking at my ass while I was shooting. I saw you looking at me, looking at you , looking at me watching you look at my ass. Gave me a real creapy feeling. Then, when I saw the run in your panty hose, I just plain said NO WAY!!!! Joe, I hate to tell ya this, but you shouldn't wear panty hose with cowboy boots unless you play a part in that Hump Butt Mountain Cowboy movie!!
Purdman
PS: I must admit, you looked pretty good after that fourth beer!!!

 

[pawnmon]

I have pondered this question with much imput from friends and a few cuemakers. The consensus is that there are too many variables involved in determining the "hit" of any given cue to tell one joint from another (definatively). There is almost unanimous agreement that the items that affect the "hit" the most are #1 the tip and #2 the ferrule. That's my opinion and I'n going with it.

 

[PoolSleuth]

Make me one Varney , I just might agree with ya!! Take your time, I am kinda low on funds right now. I know how to fix that though. I just can't build a cue.
Purdman

If you are low on funds right now., think about installing a "Tip Jar" at you work station....