What's the advantage of an ivory joint?

bruin70 said:
that's not what varney is saying. he's saying you can't tell the diff twixt an ivory and fake ivory,,,,not ss.
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Ah, My mistake....... I read a few posts up about the duck tape thing. Well Varney is absolutely right. No telling between Ivory and Fake ivory. Steel and ivory is wayyy different. Well from what I have experienced.

Tony
 
I saw this post last night and did not comment. This is one of those things that can be argued, both Pro & Con.

Think the only correct answer IMO is for the person who asked the question to find (2) identical cues from the Same Maker, with the Same Specification, Woods, Tip, Weights, Balance Points.

With the Exception of one of the Cues has an Ivory Joint, and One Does not.

Now play with both Cues like the Coke verses Pepsi Blind Taste Challenge.

Than when you decided upon what Cue you like Better. you will know if you want Ivory, or Not for your Joint.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I was standing near the cue makers booths at one BCA Trade Show and the assembled wisdom of those present, including some very well-known high-end names, was that if you put Duck Tape around the joint of any stick, no one could tell you what was underneath.

John McChesney actually did that experiment, and you can read about it in Google Groups -- I think it was in RSB but it might have been in ASP. The result was that no one could tell by the hit what the joint was.

The majority of how a stick hits the ball is in the shaft, and the tip itself can make a huge difference.

Ivory increases the collectibility and reduces the reliability, on average.
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Bob,

No one could tell you what was underenath? That's a pretty broad statement. I'd bet Efren, or Sayginer, or some of the other best "feel" players would know what was underneath. Maybe the scores of league and even A and AA players may not be able to tell, but I don't agree that no one could tell.

My opinion is that a player should use a joint material that he feels most confident with, no matter what material is used. It seems that too many people are trying to make too many aspects of pool non-personal, lumping many things into what they feel is best for the masses that play. I've heard for years now that phenolic tips are best for breaking, and Meuccis deflect less and play better because of experiments. Experiments are good in some areas of pool, but pool is such a feel game, and the hit of a cue is such a subjective matter, that I don't see how anyone can say that one material plays better (or no better) than another. They can only be referring to themselves, as they don't know what other players feel when they hit with any cue. How can any cue maker (or statistician) say what is best for me, or what I will feel or will not feel when I hit with a cue?

I also feel that the higher the skill level (as in any sport), the more that a player can feel differences in all components of a cue, or cue ball, or object ball, or many of the other subtle factors, of which I feel pool has many. But many up-and coming players worry too much about what cue Efren or Archer or Thorsten use instead of having enough confidence in their own opinions to know what really feels best to them.

One more question. I understand your statement about collectability, but not about reliability. Why would you say that ivory reduces reliability any more than different woods or phenolic (or steel) joints would? Are you referring to the makeup of the material being more brittle, or the way that the material plays after it is installed?

Thanks,
Mike
 
How much to make me one?

Varney Cues said:
I'm saying that if I make two identical, flat faced, wood to wood, big pin cues...and one has an ivory joint collar and one has a fake ivory joint collar...that the ivory will not play better or offer any advantage other than making the cue worth more $$$.;)
My own personal playing cue in fact has a soft plastic fake ivory joint collar. And it also even has a section of soft plastic in the forearm that the pin is threaded into....and you want to talk about sweet...;) :D !!!
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OK, you've got me, how much to make me one just like yours except that it would be a "plain Jane" in every way other than the joint and ferrule that you are using?
 
BillPorter said:
OK, you've got me, how much to make me one just like yours except that it would be a "plain Jane" in every way other than the joint and ferrule that you are using?
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PM sent sir.
 
Here We Go Again!!!!

I guess you guy just don't give a rats azz about what you are doing to the chicken, cattle, turkey, veal, pig, and fish populations of the world. Just elephants huh! How about all the human fodder good ol' GB is laying down.:D
Purdman:cool:
 
hey, let's not turn this thread sideways with a political flame war...:D

-s

but i agree, purd.
 
I turned down a deer antler for a ferule once, did I just misspell ferule, did I just misspell misspell. I found an antler thick enough for a joint but it was webbed internally so it wouldn't work, personally I liked the feel of the ferule with a triangle tip. Not trying to hijack the thread just felt like sharing my animal mutilation story.
 
steev said:
hey, let's not turn this thread sideways with a political flame war...:D

-s

but i agree, purd.
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Yeah, and don't forget about all dem baby squids in da calamarri, and the snails. Oh, and least we not forget the deer, morning dove (yum, Yum), Pheasant and all the other species. You all are making me hungry for a quarter pound elephant burger.
Purdman:D
 
steev said:
i meant about the GB comment...i'm a carnivore, man.

-s
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I know, I let it go by. Didn't want to start any kind of political flame war myself. But now that you mention it, there is enough dead meat on the battle fields of the world today to make a ten year supply of SOYLENT GREEN!
Purdman:D
Ya can't argue with dat!!!
 
Purdman said:
I guess you guy just don't give a rats azz about what you are doing to the chicken, cattle, turkey, veal, pig, and fish populations of the world. Just elephants huh! How about all the human fodder good ol' GB is laying down.:D
Purdman:cool:
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I'll be certain not to mention my new 2 X 4 spotted puppy ear cue case!:)
JK Purdman

Remember reading the thread here on AZB or CCB about the pro event where the cue joints were taped over, out of 50 pros only 10% were correct in identifying the joint they hit with. Haven't been able to locate the thread using the search function. Anybody else find it??
 
Jigger said:
I'll be certain not to mention my new 2 X 4 spotted puppy ear cue case!:)
JK Purdman

Remember reading the thread here on AZB or CCB about the pro event where the cue joints were taped over, out of 50 pros only 10% were correct in identifying the joint they hit with. Haven't been able to locate the thread using the search function. Anybody else find it??
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What did ya do with the rest of the hide and the carcus? You know, you could feed an Etheopian familey of twelve for 10 years with what was left of that puppy. What a waste dude. And you are worried about a dam elephant tusk. You can't even eat it.:rolleyes:
Purdman
 
bones.jpg

Poor Bambi's dad died for some of these. :eek:
 
Purdman said:
What did ya do with the rest of the hide and the carcus? You know, you could feed an Etheopian familey of twelve for 10 years with what was left of that puppy. What a waste dude. And you are worried about a dam elephant tusk. You can't even eat it.:rolleyes:
Purdman
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LOL Purd !:) :) :eek:
 
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