What's the best gold crown?

[realkingcobra]

If you look into it, you'll find 4 1/2 was standard in the early part of the
20th century. Most of the huge old rooms in large cities had 5 x 10
tables. 4 1/2 inch was used on World(and US) Championship tables
untill they changed to 9 foot tables.

But thanks for stoppin by.

Dale

Dale, I've worked on many...many Antique Brunswick pool tables over the last 29 years, including all the 1920's Brunswick's at the 211 Club in Seattle, and I can tell you for sure...without a doubt, Brunswick NEVER produced a factory built pocket pool table with 4 1/2" corner pockets. Even the GC4 tournament edition was over 4 1/2" wide, but was shimmed tighter than stock to get that way. The GC5 is Brunswick's first real attempt at producing a 4 1/2" pocket pool table without trying to get there with extra thick pocket shims, the rails are actually extended with the wood from the sub-rail, but still only hits 4 9/16" at the points of the pockets. But you sir, are more than welcome to find what ever proof you feel you can find to back up your statement....and time you wish. I'm not saying someone way back when didn't double or triple shim the pockets on older Brunswick's in the past, what I am saying, is that Brunswick didn't do it the tables were built at the factory level And, there's a reason why the 9ft size came about, it didn't just appear one day on the show room floor for sale. The 9ft size table was decided as a compromise between the 10ft's played on in the northern states, and the 8ft's played on in the southern states....as opposed to producing both size tables, and became more in common use, therefore creating the declining request for 10ft pocket pool tables

Glen

 

[pdcue]

Dale, I've worked on many...many Antique Brunswick pool tables over the last 29 years, including all the 1920's Brunswick's at the 211 Club in Seattle, and I can tell you for sure...without a doubt, Brunswick NEVER produced a factory built pocket pool table with 4 1/2" corner pockets. Even the GC4 tournament edition was over 4 1/2" wide, but was shimmed tighter than stock to get that way. The GC5 is Brunswick's first real attempt at producing a 4 1/2" pocket pool table without trying to get there with extra thick pocket shims, the rails are actually extended with the wood from the sub-rail, but still only hits 4 9/16" at the points of the pockets. But you sir, are more than welcome to find what ever proof you feel you can find to back up your statement....and time you wish. I'm not saying someone way back when didn't double or triple shim the pockets on older Brunswick's in the past, what I am saying, is that Brunswick didn't do it the tables were built at the factory level And, there's a reason why the 9ft size came about, it didn't just appear one day on the show room floor for sale. The 9ft size table was decided as a compromise between the 10ft's played on in the northern states, and the 8ft's played on in the southern states....as opposed to producing both size tables, and became more in common use, therefore creating the declining request for 10ft pocket pool tables

Glen

So, you have fantazied some reunion of Civil War Veterans who reached
a compromize on the size of pool tables.

In fact, the decline of the 10 ft table was mostly due to attempts to get
more people interested in pool, and other factors, almost all purely economic. 29 years doesn't seem very long to me.

My info is from people, mostly just one guy, who dealt in Antiques for decades.

BTW - back to that reading thing. Brunswick was far from the only company that made pool tables.

Dale

 

[realkingcobra]

So, you have fantazied some reunion of Civil War Veterans who reached
a compromize on the size of pool tables.

In fact, the decline of the 10 ft table was mostly due to attempts to get
more people interested in pool, and other factors, almost all purely economic. 29 years doesn't seem very long to me.

My info is from people, mostly just one guy, who dealt in Antiques for decades.

BTW - back to that reading thing. Brunswick was far from the only company that made pool tables.

Dale

Dale, all you have to do is post up some proof buddy

 

[RAMIII]

Rkc gciii

Since I'm in the market for one potentially, are you guys saying the III is crap? I would be worried about getting a GC I, having someone disassemble to bring it to my house and setup and finding cracked slates or other issues.

I've seen some for $700 - $800, figured for another $600 - $700 I can have it moved, cleaned up and setup professionally with Simonis 860, or even shimmed or re-rubbered for a few hundred more. Less than $2000 for a great playing table, vs. paying the same for a smaller, lesser playing "furniture" style.

Am I thinking right or not? Big decision...

Scott

The best GC is any GC that Glen AKA Real King Cobra can put his hands on. And that's Undisputed!

I have a GCIII installed by a local guy and Cobracized by Real King Cobra, and I can truly say that once you have Glen handle your table, it's no long a Brunswick. He puts so much work into each table that he's really rebuilding the table to his precision specs.
So Scottjen26, buy a Gold Crown, pretty much any model with slate in good condition, and have Glen come in to work on your table, or Mark Gregory may be near you in FL. This will be the best table money can buy. I've got about $2500 into my GC including subrail ext and all. I don't know if I will get all of my money back if and when I sell the table, but I'll certainly get more than a furniture table, and more because it's an RKC table.
Glen, come back to Texas! It's getting too cold up north right now
-Ryan

 

[pt109]

Nice Crown road.

If the rails bolt into a figure eight plate - It's a GCI.
The GCIIs used a burried nut, so all you see is small hole on the underside
of the rail. IMHO - perhaps the only change done to actually improve the
quality of a table.

Dale

I believe it was better than a buried 'nut' on the GC11.
It was actually a 'bar' about 3 inches long with a little extra room for some
play to align the hole.
I was aware of this 'cause I know a company that copied it.
A great system, far superior to the British 'steel block' system with their
side-mounted rails.

I would really like to know what RKC thinks about the older tables that
were side-mounted....I've turned down a couple good deals on beautiful
old tables because of this old rail system.
Seems to me that the over-sized slate with the bolts going DOWN through
the slate is the best.

 

[cleary]

Any of them that are set up good will be the best.

 

[Maxx]

The best Gold Crown is ......

whichever one you have in your basement!

(IV for me)