Whats the difference between RED, BLACK and BLUE label Diamond tables?
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If the red and blue labels bank the same, the realkingcobra FAILED.There you go confusing the issue with facts
My 9' Diamond pro is a red label and John Brumback's personal table is a red label as well. Since John has won multiple bank pool titles at the DCC on both red and blue label diamonds, I thought I'd ask what he thought of the new blue label a while back. He more or less just shrugged and said he couldn't tell much of a difference. Neither can I for that matter.
Personally, I think its much to do over nothing.
Personally, I think its much to do over nothing.
Imho, All the Diamonds Bank like crap. Bring back the Brunswick tables. Seems like everybody is drooling over the Diamonds, but i really think that the oldies are the best tables.
Give me a Brunswick or Murray table any day. With Green felt if possible.
There is my rant. Please continue..:thumbup::thumbup:
Diamonds are all over the pro tourneys because Brunswick has given up on the pool business. Nothing plays like a GC in my opinion. Nothing sounds like a GC accepting balls in it's pocket with that Brunswick sound.. Certainly not a diamond.
Brunswick got duped by some big time promoter and that was the end of that .
They lent tables to him then he sold them.
Nothing looks prettier than Black Gold Crowns.
Gotta disagree with this. The Brunswick Centennial is the best looking table of all time followed by their Anniversary.
Then your Red Label was "fixed" before you got it.
I had a straight-from-the-factory Red Label, and I'll be f*cked if it played "normal". On a medium-speed kick from the center pocket to the middle diamond, it came in a FULL DIAMOND short. Absolutely rediculous.
And anyone who watched any of the early Derby City Classic Accu-Stats videos is well aware of how bad the unfixed Red Labels played. Grady Matthews mentioned multiple times how much the players were complaining about them.
Please don't insult people's intelligence by saying they are just "repeating what they heard".
If I seem a little touchy on this subject, I had John Morra down 2-1 in the One Pocket at DCC (The first round after he won the banks..) and lost with Shane Van Boening watching my match, all because I had put in all my practice on a short-banking Red Label. I never even knew what an issue it was until every cross croner I tried against Morra went WAY long.
I had no less than 4 opportunities to get a run out started with a cross corner, but I was all jacked up because of the poor equipment I had been practicing on.
Red Label Diamonds are the spawn of hell. I've played on a few, and they all bank super short and the rails are EXTREMELY springy. They are nigh-unplayable when it is raining.
Oh.. And I also ran a four-pack on Joey Gray that year in the 9 ball, and ended up letting him in the game with a missed shot due to a little "jump" in my stroke, caused by trying to "hold" a moderate angle, because of the rail springiness. Lost that set 7-6.
Short Bus Russ
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I agree. I have a GC4
There you go confusing everybody with personal real world experiences ........
In case you're wondering, blue label 9-footers with dymondwood rails exist. Mine came that way from the factory to my dealer who gave me a peach of a deal. I believe that was in '12.
Oh, boy.
All that work for nothing then.
There is absolutely no way that John Brumback got the "standard" Red Label that everyone was complaining about.
I said it once, I'll say it again... My Red Label was off a full diamond on a center-to-corner kick. I have played on another 3 or 4 Red Labels that played exactly the same way...
If John played on a Red Label and he didn't notice a difference, then he was playing on a Red Label that was produced after realkingcobra fixed the subrail angle, or he got one that had been worked on.
ALL the pros complained about the short bank angles and springy cushions in the first year or two of the DCC. Their word is good enough for me...
Short Bus Russ
Gold Crown 1 and 2
I grew up on gold crowns and when Diamonds came out I almost quit pool as I couldn't play on them. Since I gamble high at pool I had to learn to play on Diamonds or take some huge beatings so I convinced my local pool hall to swap my Gold Crown 3 for one of his new diamonds. It took me a while but I finally learned to play on the diamonds because that is what everyone is playing on now, but I had a pool room with 27 gold crowns and nothing played better than a few of my ones and twos from Gold Crown.
I grew up on gold crowns and when Diamonds came out I almost quit pool as I couldn't play on them. Since I gamble high at pool I had to learn to play on Diamonds or take some huge beatings so I convinced my local pool hall to swap my Gold Crown 3 for one of his new diamonds. It took me a while but I finally learned to play on the diamonds because that is what everyone is playing on now, but I had a pool room with 27 gold crowns and nothing played better than a few of my ones and twos from Gold Crown.
Actually, John did buy the red label diamond. It's the 2010 TV table from the DCC. But you can take his word on that.
In any event, I'm not trying to be pugnacious. You are obviously a fine player and I certainly respect your opinion. Personally, I'll take a game of pool on any table over, say, going to work any day. I personally like Diamond tables, both red & blue label, but then again I'd play on a gold crown too.
Edit for humility and clarity: I'm probably not skilled enough to notice too much of a difference either way. Yikes!
Cheers and happy shooting,
JL
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Thinking more about this. I guess that I started playing pool in the mid 90's and I was exposed mostly to the diamond, the old pinnacles and one or two old gold crowns. But mostly diamonds. I guess that became my "normal". I suppose that folks that grew up on gold crowns consider those normal. I do miss those carefree days. Dammit, career had to mess all that up. 
Well, I switched to my diamond red label when I switched back to older custom cues (normal deflection). Banks sucked for me, I use the miz system. Only change to my table was aretemis cushions, but nothing to the angles.
But just recently went back to my old Z2 shaft, and all the sudden banks on my table are fantastic again. (Makes sense if you use the miz system where you alter angle by english alone... I get less squirt so I can get the full hits I'm looking for).
Maybe it ain't the table... for me it was relying on only one banking system that was a poor match for my equipment.
But just recently went back to my old Z2 shaft, and all the sudden banks on my table are fantastic again. (Makes sense if you use the miz system where you alter angle by english alone... I get less squirt so I can get the full hits I'm looking for).
Maybe it ain't the table... for me it was relying on only one banking system that was a poor match for my equipment.
Well, if a world champion banker can't tell, then there must be no difference.