Whats the difference between RED, BLACK and BLUE label Diamond tables?

[KRJ]

Bangin Ballz. Nice spot but just one room. I still do not believe that they will a major player in commercial rooms in the US. I think a LOT of room owners want to buy American-made stuff, aka Diamond, and also the supply chain is going to be kinda jacked for the forseeable future. Getting tables/parts from Asia may be difficult for some time. Lot of rooms in my general area(Midwest) are upgrading tables and EVERY one of them is buying Diamonds. Rasson makes a quality product but i don't see them outrunning Diamond any time soon.

Getting tables from American made table makers is not easy either. Going back to a 9 ft table and ordered a 6 leg AE Schmidt table, and it won't be ready till February. Folks are buying record numbers of pool tables and other stuff to use at home since the pandemic started, and it's not slowing down yet

 

[Wolven]

I had a 9ft red label for 10 years. While the pockets were tight, you could hit the long rail at certain speed and it would still go in, I found that extremely annoying. Not sure if anyone had similar experience.

I sold it, and bought a cheap Dufferin 9 footer. Still working on it, building couple of extra legs to take slight sag in the middle. Comparing the quality, diamond is like porsche vs yugo. I will make Dufferin play good, but diamond tables are extremely well made.

 

[realkingcobra]

Have you seen my table comparison video:

The Diamond table tests start at the 8:26 point. I personally consider that a huge adjustment!

I noticed that was a red label Diamond, Blue label has been out for about 12 years now, where's your kicking and banking test results on that Diamond? Have you tested your kicking and banking system on any GC that has K66 cushions on them? There's a ton of GC's like that in California, just wondering what the difference there is, kind of like the difference between a red and blue label Diamond i would think, OLDER tables no longer represent the new stock of tables, just to be fair

 

[dr_dave]

I noticed that was a red label Diamond, Blue label has been out for about 12 years now, where's your kicking and banking test results on that Diamond? Have you tested your kicking and banking system on any GC that has K66 cushions on them? There's a ton of GC's like that in California, just wondering what the difference there is, kind of like the difference between a red and blue label Diamond i would think, OLDER tables no longer represent the new stock of tables, just to be fair

This has been on my list for a long time, but I don’t have convenient access to Blue label Diamonds. The last ones I played on banked really short, but the cloth was old and dirty, and it was in New Orleans, where humidity is high.

 

[realkingcobra]

This has been on my list for a long time, but I don’t have convenient access to Blue label Diamonds. The last ones I played on banked really short, but the cloth was old and dirty, and it was in New Orleans, where humidity is high.

Just some after thought as well. Banking on tables is seriously effected by how tight the rail bolts are, you might want to check those on any table you do a banking test on if you want accurate results

 

[jtompilot]

It isn't just blind regurgitation. The snake has shared the technical changes between the two labels.

Diamond has always strived to make the best players table possible and if it deems a change is necessary, imma gonna stay out of the way.

Gold crown, in my house.

I know this is an old thread, but how times have changed. How’s your blue label bud🛩

 

[Black-Balled]

I know this is an old thread, but how times have changed. How’s your blue label bud🛩

All good here. Will be better if I ever run out again.

 

[iusedtoberich]

All good here. Will be better if I ever run out again.

You’ve had your Diamond for a year now? How do you compare it with worn cloth to your GC4 with worn cloth?

 

[JolietJames]

I was to buy an older blue label smart table a month or two ago but the seller pulled up a couple days before I was going to pick it up.
Sadly, I had already agreed to sell my GC to a local guy. I did not want to do to him what was done to me so I went ahead with the sale of my table (GC2 with a GC4 top).
I purchased a new blue label a few weeks ago after settling in to my new digs in TN.
Diamond must have changed something because this table banks exactly like my GC. The ball goes into the rail at 45 and comes out at 45.
This is the first ProAm I have ever played that banks this way.
I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad because I will still have to adjust all my banks/kicks when I go play on other Diamonds in competition.

 

[garczar]

I was to buy an older blue label smart table a month or two ago but the seller pulled up a couple days before I was going to pick it up.
Sadly, I had already agreed to sell my GC to a local guy. I did not want to do to him what was done to me so I went ahead with the sale of my table (GC2 with a GC4 top).
I purchased a new blue label a few weeks ago after settling in to my new digs in TN.
Diamond must have changed something because this table banks exactly like my GC. The ball goes into the rail at 45 and comes out at 45.
This is the first ProAm I have ever played that banks this way.
I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad because I will still have to adjust all my banks/kicks when I go play on other Diamonds in competition.

Sub-rail angle was modified to create the Blue label. They play fine. I still hit balls on a original Diamond Pro used in the Camel Tour days and yes it does bank a little short but its not so bad you can't adjust quick.

 

[Black-Balled]

You’ve had your Diamond for a year now? How do you compare it with worn cloth to your GC4 with worn cloth?

It is a far better table and I can't say pool is really any different and experience on the two.

 

[JolietJames]

Sub-rail angle was modified to create the Blue label. They play fine. I still hit balls on a original Diamond Pro used in the Camel Tour days and yes it does bank a little short but its not so bad you can't adjust quick.

Arizona is filled with blue labels that play short. It's a small adjustment, but it's there -on every Diamond I've ever played.
That is why I posted up about the brand new table not playing short at all.
I remember the change they made years ago to somewhat correct the rail problem of the red labels. Like the purple 5, I felt they hurt the game.
This is different imo. It's the1st I've seen like this.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Arizona is filled with blue labels that play short. It's a small adjustment, but it's there -on every Diamond I've ever played.
That is why I posted up about the brand new table not playing short at all.
I remember the change they made years ago to somewhat correct the rail problem of the red labels. Like the purple 5, I felt they hurt the game.
This is different imo. It's the1st I've seen like this.

This is my experience also in both NJ and Atlanta. Blue and Red right next to each other play almost identical. Short and springy. And next to them in the same room, GC’s play normal. If there has been a new improvement in the past couple years that would be great, imo. The blue tables in these rooms are probably 5-10 years old now.

 

[telinoz]

Now I know the difference between red and blue labelled Diamond tables.

Will check out the locals now, may explain a few weird shots in tournaments I had that puzzled me at the time.

 

[jtompilot]

This is my experience also in both NJ and Atlanta. Blue and Red right next to each other play almost identical. Short and springy. And next to them in the same room, GC’s play normal. If there has been a new improvement in the past couple years that would be great, imo. The blue tables in these rooms are probably 5-10 years old now.

You should have played on the red labels at Diamond Billiards in Cape Coral. Those were some goofy banking tables. Justin Hall knew those tables banked so goofy that, because he knew how they banked he could beat Alex in 1P on them. The weird thing is that I've played on red labels from California to Florida and some bank goofy and some don't. Maybe some were modified and kept the red name plate. The Blue labels play much more consistently from coast to coast. I also owned a beautiful black GC4 that I thought banked similar to a blue label.

 

[iusedtoberich]

You should have played on the red labels at Diamond Billiards in Cape Coral. Those were some goofy banking tables. Justin Hall knew those tables banked so goofy that, because he knew how they banked he could beat Alex in 1P on them. The weird thing is that I've played on red labels from California to Florida and some bank goofy and some don't. Maybe some were modified and kept the red name plate. The Blue labels play much more consistently from coast to coast. I also owned a beautiful black GC4 that I thought banked similar to a blue label.

If you make it to Atlanta, go to Mr Cues 2 billiards. They have 2 Blues, and the rest are GC4's and GC5's. One of the blues is the dymandwood, the second is the black graphite or whatever it was after the fire. They will both bank so short you will be scratching your head how to play position coming out of a corner. Then if you go to any of the GC's 5 feet away, all will be normal again.

 

[jtompilot]

If you make it to Atlanta, go to Mr Cues 2 billiards. They have 2 Blues, and the rest are GC4's and GC5's. One of the blues is the dymandwood, the second is the black graphite or whatever it was after the fire. They will both bank so short you will be scratching your head how to play position coming out of a corner. Then if you go to any of the GC's 5 feet away, all will be normal again.

I've been to Mr. Cues 2 or 3 times, tables play like a regular blue label. I'll be sure to let you know next time I'm in town

 

[hang-the-9]

The Predator tables bank even odder than the Diamond tables. I played on one for about 30 minutes and the banks were really short. Then spoke with a few other players and they all notices the same thing. You need like another 15% adjustment on the banks on Predator tables.