Whats The Play Here?

Russ Chewning said:
Fred,

I have a crapload of Accustats videos, and there are a few videos of pros playing side pocket shots, but not many at all at this sort of angle.
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This is the key. I've got nothing against playing for the side pocket. But at the angle shown, with the 5-ball only 1 1/2 diamonds from the end rail, I don't think posters who haven't put the balls to the table have a clue how it really looks.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I don't think posters who haven't put the balls to the table have a clue how it really looks.

Fred
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Agreed, it isn't a bargain. Just because its close dosen't make it the right shot. Coming off the rail a tad short or long changes the angle big time. The top left two rail leaves a much bigger window and easier to play better position on the 6.

Rod
 
well, it seems like this might be a decent way to play this shot. hit it with some high left, and come out two rails to anywhere in the range of Point A. i thought it was too difficult to have the right speed to stop it around Point B, just too little of a target area. but, anywhere in the range of Point A would give you a shot on the 5-Ball.

i just messed up, as i am known to do more often than not - unfortunately.

DCP

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Rod said:
Agreed, it isn't a bargain. Just because its close dosen't make it the right shot. Coming off the rail a tad short or long changes the angle big time. The top left two rail leaves a much bigger window and easier to play better position on the 6.

Rod
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You are right. I set it up yesterday and separately asked two pros how they would play it. Both immediately shot it with high left, going two rails to play the five into the same pocket as the four. Then as you say easy position for the six.

This way makes the shot very forgiving as far as speed control because you are shooting into the position line and not across it. I must have shot it 20 times this way and only made one mistake when I shot too hard and scratched in the lower side. And I'm not very good.
 
GADawg said:
You are right. I set it up yesterday and separately asked two pros how they would play it. Both immediately shot it with high left, going two rails to play the five into the same pocket as the four. Then as you say easy position for the six.

This way makes the shot very forgiving as far as speed control because you are shooting into the position line and not across it. I must have shot it 20 times this way and only made one mistake when I shot too hard and scratched in the lower side. And I'm not very good.
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looks like we were thinking the same thing at about the same time, there, GADawg.

just wondering who the two pros were?

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
well, it seems like this might be a decent way to play this shot. hit it with some high left, and come out two rails to anywhere in the range of Point A. i thought it was too difficult to have the right speed to stop it around Point B, just too little of a target area. but, anywhere in the range of Point A would give you a shot on the 5-Ball.

i just messed up, as i am known to do more often than not - unfortunately.

DCP

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DCP, why are you giving us a moving target to chase after? :mad:

The cue ball and the 4 and 5 balls in this diagram isn't in the same position as shown in Post #1. Your moving the balls around completely alters the assessment of the suggestions we've been trying to make.
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
i had this situation come up a couple of times last night, and messed up both times. how do you get to the 5-Ball from the 4-Ball? the 4-Ball isnt quite straight in, there is a slight angle. the first time i tried what i call the low right pop shot, and that didnt work. the 2nd time i went 12:00 and came around and got a tough shot on the 5-Ball, and missed.

so, whats the play? high left here?

thanks for any help/advice.
DCP

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You shoot this out weak handed because that's how easy it is...;)
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
looks like we were thinking the same thing at about the same time, there, GADawg.

just wondering who the two pros were?

DCP
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Since I am in Shanghai, both were Chinese. One was Mei Yi Fei, who is one of Pan Xiao Ting's practice partners and the other was a veteran Taiwanese teaching pro now living in Shanghai named Xu Hong Min.

As Craig says above, it really is pretty simple this way.
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
DCP, why are you giving us a moving target to chase after? :mad:

The cue ball and the 4 and 5 balls in this diagram isn't in the same position as shown in Post #1. Your moving the balls around completely alters the assessment of the suggestions we've been trying to make.
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sorry, i did it from memory, didnt know how to get the same diagram from the original diagram.

but they are pretty close, and i think everyone gets the idea...........

DCP
 
Neil said:
I just came from a little tour. that Jason Kirkwood played in also. I set this up and asked him how he would play it. He looked at it for about 5 sec., laughed, and said "shoot the 5 in the side".

Now, granted, this particular set-up CAN be played several ways. But the RIGHT way IMHO is always the KISS method. (Keep It Simple Stupid) The 5 in the side follows this thinking. Why do more than you have to?
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Neil,
thats cool that you asked Jason his thoughts. thanks for sharing, i appreciate your effort.

DCP
 
I just showed Charlie Bryant this thread and he insisted that the right way to shoot this is DCP's diagram in post #44 (two rails forward shooting the 4 and 5 in the same pocket).

You don't cross the position zone this way and it is very forgiving for the speed-control-challenged shooter.
 
GADawg said:
You are right. I set it up yesterday and separately asked two pros how they would play it. Both immediately shot it with high left, going two rails to play the five into the same pocket as the four. Then as you say easy position for the six.

This way makes the shot very forgiving as far as speed control because you are shooting into the position line and not across it. I must have shot it 20 times this way and only made one mistake when I shot too hard and scratched in the lower side. And I'm not very good.
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I think I said the same thing way back in post #26. But I'm glad to hear that your two pros and Charley Bryant agree.
 
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