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erikido

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Cue ball just inside corner pocket..8 ball about a couple inches to the side of the cue ball on center diamond on opposite short rail. 9 ball approx on center diamond on short rail(side of the cue ball).

tried 2 railing the 8 ball back to where the cue ball was at and sent the cue ball to short rail(almost hooked him but not quite:() 8 ball missed by about a 1/4 diamond and landed just near enough to the pocket for him to cut it in.


What would u play? I asked quite a few players. A lot had a lot of different ideas and only one or 2 of them looked reproducable with a decent result
 
Hmm....was going to put in a wei table.. But, when went to do it it seemed to much trouble and the explanation of the layout seemed pretty simple. Maybe you guys aren't getting the layout?
 
erikido said:
Hmm....was going to put in a wei table.. But, when went to do it it seemed to much trouble and the explanation of the layout seemed pretty simple. Maybe you guys aren't getting the layout?
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Yeah, you need the Wei table..I have trouble with it also.
 
erikido said:
Hmm....was going to put in a wei table.. But, when went to do it it seemed to much trouble and the explanation of the layout seemed pretty simple. Maybe you guys aren't getting the layout?
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Yup, trouble confirmed lol
 
I say you should 3 rail it (short rail, long rail, short into the side pocket on the cue ball side of the table) if you make it the cue ball comes around and dies off the long rail on the opposite side from where the cue ball started out for position on the 9

If you miss and the 8 hits before or after the side it will be running out of speed. The cue ball will be on the opposite side of the table and down near the end rail hopefully with a tough make on the 8 and tough position to get back for the 9 ball. Hope you can follow all this I'm trying to explain as clear as possible. Try it I think this is a good shot from a tough position.
You're giving yourself a chance to win and and also a chance to leave your opponent hard.
 
itsfroze said:
I say you should 3 rail it (short rail, long rail, short into the side pocket on the cue ball side of the table) if you make it the cue ball comes around and dies off the long rail on the opposite side from where the cue ball started out for position on the 9

If you miss and the 8 hits before or after the side it will be running out of speed. The cue ball will be on the opposite side of the table and down near the end rail hopefully with a tough make on the 8 and tough position to get back for the 9 ball. Hope you can follow all this I'm trying to explain as clear as possible. Try it I think this is a good shot from a tough position.
You're giving yourself a chance to win and and also a chance to leave your opponent hard.
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Yes, I think I follow and it was probably the shot I was able to get the best result from...some crazy people tried thinning it. I guess if u r that good at that. But I can't do it
 
Okay, you're pretty screwed here. Understand, there is a better than average chance you're going to lose this game so your goal is to maximize your chances in a losing situation. With that said, I see two basic things you can try doing.

First idea that comes to mind is to play safe by getting the cueball on one long rail and the 8-ball on the other long rail. The reason I like this shot has to do with the placement of the 9ball. Yes, there's a reasonable chance you might leave your opponent a shot but there's still a good chance they might not get out.

My second idea is to play shape on the 9 while banking the 8ball. The end goal is to get straight on the 9 with the 8 going near pockets. If this sounds vague, it should. Where the 8 goes doesn't really matter. If you can get the cueball straight on the 9 and the 8 goes in, you win, and you're likely leaving a terribly difficult out if the 8 doesn't go in.

In the end, you have to ask yourself how the table is playing. Are the pockets tight? Is the table fast? The easier the table plays, the more aggressive you should be. If you're playing on 4" pockets, you can play a mediocre safe and expect to return to the table. If you're playing on buckets, you have to give yourself a chance to win.
 
I get an error message that I need an animated gif Xtra tool and I need to make sure it's installed in the Xtra folder. Is that similar to the error message others are getting? Does anyone know how to fix it?
 
Bob Jewett said:
I get an error message that I need an animated gif Xtra tool and I need to make sure it's installed in the Xtra folder. Is that similar to the error message others are getting? Does anyone know how to fix it?
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Yes I'm getting the same. Sorry, but I don't know how to fix it! Let me know if you find out.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Okay, you're pretty screwed here. Understand, there is a better than average chance you're going to lose this game so your goal is to maximize your chances in a losing situation. With that said, I see two basic things you can try doing.

First idea that comes to mind is to play safe by getting the cueball on one long rail and the 8-ball on the other long rail. The reason I like this shot has to do with the placement of the 9ball. Yes, there's a reasonable chance you might leave your opponent a shot but there's still a good chance they might not get out.

My second idea is to play shape on the 9 while banking the 8ball. The end goal is to get straight on the 9 with the 8 going near pockets. If this sounds vague, it should. Where the 8 goes doesn't really matter. If you can get the cueball straight on the 9 and the 8 goes in, you win, and you're likely leaving a terribly difficult out if the 8 doesn't go in.

In the end, you have to ask yourself how the table is playing. Are the pockets tight? Is the table fast? The easier the table plays, the more aggressive you should be. If you're playing on 4" pockets, you can play a mediocre safe and expect to return to the table. If you're playing on buckets, you have to give yourself a chance to win.
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Great post Jude...yeah,approx 4 inches. I did basically focus on the cue ball and almost made the ball. And yes I fully realized I was probably losing....did I mention it was the first time I stepped to the table against the guy that won the tourney. How's that for a warm up shot lol
 
erikido said:
Great post Jude...yeah,approx 4 inches. I did basically focus on the cue ball and almost made the ball. And yes I fully realized I was probably losing....did I mention it was the first time I stepped to the table against the guy that won the tourney. How's that for a warm up shot lol
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Ugh, don't tell me you hung the 8. That would probably be the most deflating result ever, especially on 4" pockets.
 
There's something goofy with the embedded Wei tables lately - they're always a red x - until I click on them, a new window pops up and I can see the layout. I know you need to be logged in to pool.bz for them to work; but lately it seems they never work anywhere. :(
 
Here's a screenshot of the weitable layout from cuetable.com:

wei shot.jpg

My guess is that Wei's trying to force people to discuss layouts on his forum rather than their own.

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Thanks for the screenshot.

I like kicking behind the 8, so the 8 hits the side rail and then lands near the 9 on the end rail. The cue ball stays where the 9 was.

The incoming player after this shot will then probably be able to make a similar shot (or other standard safety to leave cue and OB on opposite end rails) to reverse the situation again.

The first person to mess up this end rail to end rail safe will probably lose the game.
 
I don't know if it's just me but if it's just a game and really nothing at stake.. or even small stakes I'm partial to banking it back to the the bottom right pocket and sending the cue ball 3 rails back to the 9 for the lower left corner.
 
barboxbanks said:
I don't know if it's just me but if it's just a game and really nothing at stake.. or even small stakes I'm partial to banking it back to the the bottom right pocket and sending the cue ball 3 rails back to the 9 for the lower left corner.
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You may not have enough angle to bank it in that corner AND send the cueball around the table. Your shot is going to be a bit table-specific. If you're on new cloth that slides or slow cloth, you might not be able to get the cueball to move. If that's the case, in my opinion, it's not worth making the 8.

I would sooner bank it into the same corner I'm shooting out of. Still, the fact that I'm shooting from a place where cueing remains an issue still makes this terribly problematic. The precise location of the cueball makes a difference here. I'm going to need to cue-up just right and if I can't, that could change everything.
 
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