Whats your butt weigh?

Here's a thread on AZ from 12 years ago. Same subject, different perspectives. Still comes down to experimentation and
success/failure rate for each person with one or the other under non-pressure and pressure situations. They ARE different.

Heavier playing cue. Is Earl on to something?

Can you control the cue ball better with a heavy cue. I have played with a 19.9 oz. Schon for over 20 years. For most of that with an old 314 predator shaft. It is a TACK DRIVER!!! But I have an old 21.0 oz. Viking with a 14mm Lepro tip that moves the cue ball really really well. I have read on...
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That thread, Seemed to be in favour of light and heavy, depending on your preference.
I play with a heavy cue,weighs 17.4 to total was a 21.85oz I feel I get more control.
I can do the same with a 19oz that feels similar.
No matter what weight, I think it more about balance in the end.
 
garczar said:
To each his own but in 40yrs of playing almost every good/great player i knew of used a 19+oz cue. Efren, Archer, Buddy, and a bunch of others all used 20oz-range cues. Don't need a light cue to 'feel the ball'.
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Garczar, we've tangled before. I don't enjoy your insults. You know nothing about me.
How many years, months, hours or even minutes have you played with light cues? In the old days 15oz & 16oz house cues were common.
Today you're hard pressed to find one lighter than 19oz. Why?? Cause everyone thinks like you do.
Nobody should play with anything less than 19oz.
All that said, my mentor played with a 22oz cue. He weighed 300lbs too.

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BTW Mark Wilson told me Ya a lighter cue can help deliver more spin, but a heavier cue helps to deliver a straighter stroke.
 
3kushn said:
Garczar, we've tangled before. I don't enjoy your insults. You know nothing about me.
How many years, months, hours or even minutes have you played with light cues? In the old days 15oz & 16oz house cues were common.
Today you're hard pressed to find one lighter than 19oz. Why?? Cause everyone thinks like you do.
Nobody should play with anything less than 19oz.
All that said, my mentor played with a 22oz cue. He weighed 300lbs too.

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BTW Mark Wilson told me Ya a lighter cue can help deliver more spin, but a heavier cue helps to deliver a straighter stroke.
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I made a 12oz cue not long ago (butt was 8.8oz, paired it with a 3.3oz CF shaft). I liked it and it played fine as long as I didn't have to move the cue ball too much. I also have a 24oz cue that plays fine, probably "easier" to play with than the 12oz cue. Of course, I play terrible regardless of the cue. But it's not like there was some magic weight that improved my fargo rating 50 points overnight. ~20oz is my preferred range, probably because most of the cues I've played with in my life were near that weight.

I haven't seen any math that would suggest cue weight has any impact on spin (Dr. Dave may have posted on this somewhere). I suppose a heavier cue has more momentum and therefore, at some level, requires more force to deviate from its initial path. But I would be surprised if 6oz would make a difference in those calculations.
 
3kushn said:
Garczar, we've tangled before. I don't enjoy your insults. You know nothing about me.
How many years, months, hours or even minutes have you played with light cues? In the old days 15oz & 16oz house cues were common.
Today you're hard pressed to find one lighter than 19oz. Why?? Cause everyone thinks like you do.
Nobody should play with anything less than 19oz.
All that said, my mentor played with a 22oz cue. He weighed 300lbs too.

Edit:
BTW Mark Wilson told me Ya a lighter cue can help deliver more spin, but a heavier cue helps to deliver a straighter stroke.
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Calling Bob Jewett and DR.Dave. Does it make enough difference to make a difference to good player? Read post above please.
We all have our preferences. I played with a19.25 oz semi fat butt cue for years. then I got a Super fancy Bill McDaniel 18.75 with a slightly thinner butt which I just loved and played with that for a few years until misfortune took it from me. I then bought a couple of rather thin light weight Ray Schuler cues when I recovered from a broken back. They were 17.0 and 17..5 oz. I got those two from Colorado Billiards in maybe 1998 ish?? from Doug Walters who turned me on to Ray's cues after I tuned up his corvette. That has been about my preferred type ever since. I have played with many other daily carry cues of widely varying types and brands. I can get used to about anything that's well balanced. I can't stand back heavy cues personally. I still like a slightly forward balanced cue on the thinner side of normal that is 16 - 18oz. and has a quiet yet slightly stiff shaft with no Tink. I don't play much at all anymore but I look forward to getting a few games in with this new to me cue. It seems to have all the things I look for in a shooter.
 
jayman said:
Some people like a light cue while others prefer a heavier one. I have tried them all. I prefer to play with a very light cue with a thinner butt. I have had cues I would have liked to play with if only they were light enough. It is not uncommon for the weight of a cues butt to be about what I want the entire cue to weigh.
I think 14.8 - 15.2 would be average? What could you get yours down to if you wanted it as light as possible. I can't believe how light the cue I just picked up was, and then I found a .6 oz weight in it as well. With no weight in it it's almost 12. oz no kidding!
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15.2 would be great, because I like a shaft that's about 4 ounces. That equals 19.2 ounces, which I think is about right.
 
WildWing said:
15.2 would be great, because I like a shaft that's about 4 ounces. That equals 19.2 ounces, which I think is about right.
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When I met Dave Matlock He was playing with a Bill Mcdaniel 19.25 oz and a 12.75 mm. I think he mentioned he picked it up from Nick Varner.
 
mikemosconi said:
Of course poorly designed cue butts that fill in their weight category by loading the back end of the cue butt with weight bolts above the one ounce range tend to throw off the cue balance point where the cue may become a drag on your stroke- not my choice.
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good point, and something I think is easy to ignore..weight can be the same, but if you don't like the balance point of the butt, it could throw the cue off
 
jayman said:
Calling Bob Jewett and DR.Dave. Does it make enough difference to make a difference to good player? Read post above please.
We all have our preferences. I played with a19.25 oz semi fat butt cue for years. then I got a Super fancy Bill McDaniel 18.75 with a slightly thinner butt which I just loved and played with that for a few years until misfortune took it from me. I then bought a couple of rather thin light weight Ray Schuler cues when I recovered from a broken back. They were 17.0 and 17..5 oz. I got those two from Colorado Billiards in maybe 1998 ish?? from Doug Walters who turned me on to Ray's cues after I tuned up his corvette. That has been about my preferred type ever since. I have played with many other daily carry cues of widely varying types and brands. I can get used to about anything that's well balanced. I can't stand back heavy cues personally. I still like a slightly forward balanced cue on the thinner side of normal that is 16 - 18oz. and has a quiet yet slightly stiff shaft with no Tink. I don't play much at all anymore but I look forward to getting a few games in with this new to me cue. It seems to have all the things I look for in a shooter.
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Cue Optimal Weight - Dr. Dave Pool Info

Answers to frequently-asked questions about the best weight for a pool cue.
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Cue Alchemist said:
That thread, Seemed to be in favour of light and heavy, depending on your preference.
I play with a heavy cue,weighs 17.4 to total was a 21.85oz I feel I get more control.
I can do the same with a 19oz that feels similar.
No matter what weight, I think it more about balance in the end.
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The balance factor is a basis for choice. But you do choose to play with what's considered to be quite a heavy cue so it
must have some superior feel and results factor to use it instead of the balanced 19 oz. cue. I'm not knocking it because
my thinking and usage is very similar. Again, it all depends on the stress factor of the game and end result. FEELS change
with that compared to toying around, experimenting, or practicing.
 
3kushn said:
Garczar, we've tangled before. I don't enjoy your insults. You know nothing about me.
How many years, months, hours or even minutes have you played with light cues? In the old days 15oz & 16oz house cues were common.
Today you're hard pressed to find one lighter than 19oz. Why?? Cause everyone thinks like you do.
Nobody should play with anything less than 19oz.
All that said, my mentor played with a 22oz cue. He weighed 300lbs too.

Edit:
BTW Mark Wilson told me Ya a lighter cue can help deliver more spin, but a heavier cue helps to deliver a straighter stroke.
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In WHAT way did i insult you???? I questioned your statement. Wow. There's this new miracle drug called 'GROWACET'. Might want to get some.
 
i used to like playing rotation with 20oz pred and straight pool with 18oz meucci. felt the meucci was great for the shorter but more touchy cb travel for some reason. it was probably in the head, besides it's wise to stay with one cue. js didn't have any problem using a pole vault cue for breaking the straight pool record...
 
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erriep said:
rofl i was reading this thread on my PC , when my wife came silently behind me, she was reading over my shoulder, she saw the title and then she said (in french) ' WTF are you reading , dude ??? and don't tell me it's a pool forum , liar !!! '
mouahahahaha :-D
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sounds like something my wife would do.
 
3kushn said:
You want feel the ball? IMO you can't with a 20oz cue. Just my opinion.
Making a long story short.
Growing up and just learning I always chose the lightest cue on the wall when I didn't have my cue.
Many years later at the Derby City when the USBA held their Nationals, Dennis Dieckman came with a 13oz cue.
I loved it but it was sold, just not finished.

After a year of losing sleep of how much I loved that cue, I commissioned one while having a drink on his back porch in MI.

I don't know??? I'm playing with it now and sometimes switch to it's sister he gave to my son, but sometimes I play with the original order which is only 16.5oz.

Some say you need 17 or 18 minimum.
They may be right.
I'm too old to test out that theory.
I just know what makes me happy.
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I have always used cues that were 18-18.5oz because I was told that you have more control over a lighter cue, started playing pool again after about 10 years of not even playing one game of pool, picked up a nice McDermott 18.5 oz and played terrible, so I tried something I had never done, I kept adding weight to the cue until it felt right to me, I have no idea how much it weighs, my friend(a BCA instructor) said he thinks it weighs about 23oz, I would have never tried such a heavy cue, still need to work on my stroke but my cue feels comfortable, there is no right or wrong but have you ever tried using different cues that you don't know the weight of and seeing how they feel to you? Might be surprised. Good luck to you my friend.
 
evergruven said:
good point, and something I think is easy to ignore..weight can be the same, but if you don't like the balance point of the butt, it could throw the cue off
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Spot on, something I've noticed aswell. This another reason I like thicker diameter too.
You can play with heavier cue, and get a nice balance. Which is not easy with a thinner cue. Unless you take the weight out. Which mainly comes from the back of the cue.and then you just end up, with a very light cue. Were then, the balance has lost all its function.
Heavy doesn't always mean, it has to feel like it's 22oz. its just what it weighs.
Its a shame you don't see more naturally balanced cues, out there.
 
Cue Alchemist said:
Spot on, something I've noticed aswell. This another reason I like thicker diameter too.
You can play with heavier cue, and get a nice balance. Which is not easy with a thinner cue. Unless you take the weight out. Which mainly comes from the back of the cue.and then you just end up, with a very light cue. Were then, the balance has lost all its function.
Heavy doesn't always mean, it has to feel like it's 22oz. its just what it weighs.
Its a shame you don't see more naturally balanced cues, out there.
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Mike Capone does not use weight bolts in his cues- at least going back several years he never used them. I always liked his cues from a balance standpoint.
 
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