What's your safety play on this shot?

klockdoc

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I was watching a match between a player out of Canada, (don't recall his name, but, I had seen him on BCTV before), playing a guy named Rich Sager, (some may heard of him and know his ability), in a race to 11 for a $100. The kid from Canada came to the table with this layout.

What would you do in this situation?

Afterwards. I will tell you what he did.

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WesleyW said:

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That shot's hard to do without fouling. i like thinning the 8 as much as possible and trying to go 4 rails with inside english somewhere behind the 9. can't wait to hear what actually happened
 
no need to say sorry bro i can't figure out how to use that cuetable for the life of me. i like the way you think
 
I didn't look at any of the other responses. This is the first thing that popped into my head. I'm sure it's a tough shot.
 

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klockdoc wrote:
> What would you do in this situation?
> Afterwards. I will tell you what he did.


Think I would've tried something like this:

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Peer said:
klockdoc wrote:
> What would you do in this situation?
> Afterwards. I will tell you what he did.


Think I would've tried something like this:

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even with the coold table to show the thought patern it's hard to tell exactly where the balls are.if you thin the 8 too much it'll come closer to the side than i'd be cumfortable with. and too thick and it won't really matter where the cue ball goes the 8's going to sit near the lower left pocket. i thik i'd be more likely to mess this one up if i tried it this way
 
Peer said:
klockdoc wrote:
> What would you do in this situation?
> Afterwards. I will tell you what he did.


Think I would've tried something like this:

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From the diagram, the cue and the eight appear to be frozen to each other. If so, I refuse to believe that the eight can be hit thin enough to send the cue ball on the four rail path that has been suggested and sent more than a few inches in any direction.

For that reason, I like this shot best. Even if a little left masse is need to pass the side, this is the shot that offers the best chance to control the eight. Controlling the eight should be the priority here, as no matter how you play this, the snooker is difficult to produce.

If your masse isn't strong, the four rail safety off the edge is the way to go.
 
sjm said:
From the diagram, the cue and the eight appear to be frozen to each other. If so, I refuse to believe that the eight can be hit thin enough to send the cue ball on the four rail path that has been suggested and sent more than a few inches in any direction.

For that reason, I like this shot best. Even if a little left masse is need to pass the side, this is the shot that offers the best chance to control the eight. Controlling the eight should be the priority here, as no matter how you play this, the snooker is difficult to produce.

If your masse isn't strong, the four rail safety off the edge is the way to go.
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I agree with this shot. I also wanted to add that I might use draw to avoid the side-pocket. It's tough to tell in a diagram what I would use but it really doesn't matter - I'm playing this shot with the intent of leaving the 8-ball on the rail and sending the cueball to the opposite end, preferrably behind the 9-ball. The scratch in the side is easily avoidable.
 
sjm said:
From the diagram, the cue and the eight appear to be frozen to each other. If so, I refuse to believe that the eight can be hit thin enough to send the cue ball on the four rail path that has been suggested and sent more than a few inches in any direction.

For that reason, I like this shot best. Even if a little left masse is need to pass the side, this is the shot that offers the best chance to control the eight. Controlling the eight should be the priority here, as no matter how you play this, the snooker is difficult to produce.

If your masse isn't strong, the four rail safety off the edge is the way to go.
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Wow, this is a very similar shot came to me last week. SJM happened to be there to show me the shot after the game. I believe masse is the way to go in this situation because the outcome is a little more predicable imo. I need to practice it often (only if I can ever find a chance to go to the pool hall located 5 mins from my house.)
 
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I actually set this shot up tonight at the hall. The shot I diagrammed was fairly simple. I left the eight about an inch off the rail and the cue back under the nine on the short rail. I shot this three times and was satisfied with the results all three times.

Jon <--Doesn't like side pockets.
 
i've actually hit a few balls with mike and if he hit's 'em pretty good. if he likes it it's probably the right shot
 
jon21588 said:
I actually set this shot up tonight at the hall. The shot I diagrammed was fairly simple. I left the eight about an inch off the rail and the cue back under the nine on the short rail. I shot this three times and was satisfied with the results all three times.

Jon <--Doesn't like side pockets.
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Jon and poolplayer actually got the angle of the shot correct in their diagram. But, the actual shot this Canadian played was simply an extention of this diagram/shot.

When the cue ball comes off the 3rd rail, it angle opens slightly and when the cue ball comes off the 4th rail, it shortens up to leave the cue behind the nine ball.

All my attempts practicing, after seeing this shot either leaves the cue ball in this area or up behind the 9. Several ended up like the Canadian's. Try this shot. It has a very predictable outcome as Jon has said in testing.

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I relate this to a shot that we used to play down at the pool hall where you would put a quarter on top of a ball on the spot, then you would shoot the cue ball out of the corner 4 rails and try to hit the ball without knocking the quarter off.

Thanks to all for their suggestions/input. Again it is good to see other's approaches and views on the same shot.
 
I like masse'ing the CB off the 8 and trying to get behind the 9, with the speed to just lay the 8 ball on the rail.

I haven't looked at any of the other safeties yet.

Russ
 
klockdoc said:
Jon and poolplayer actually got the angle of the shot correct in their diagram. But, the actual shot this Canadian played was simply an extention of this diagram/shot.

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Oh jeez -- as far as I can see, this 5-rail "safety" shot is more a fluke thing than I would ever go for. When I'm playing, I try to remember what my instructor told me as a kid, "simpler is better", hence, the fewer rails the better... and just look at how close this 5-rail shot gets to double knock that eight ball at the rail. Again, I'll stick with my version, (see below).

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