What's your take on people that won't gamble?

Hoss, you SPECIFICALLY ASKED, "What's your take on people that won't gamble?"

If you wanted to only hear from people who agree with your POV, you should have said so.

yeah i asked for their opinion on the people. not what's everyones opinion on my opinion.

you're nit picking my comment instead of sharing your thoughts on the people in question. i also said in the 1st post and several times throughout the thread that i'm mostly talking about bums that sit around the pool room and not contribute anything. don't pay table time, food/drinks, or play anyone for anything.

you feel like trying to tear apart my comment go ahead. you can be a nit and play for fun for the rest of you life for all i care. i'm just tired of nits sitting around the pool room doing nothing
 
yeah i asked for their opinion on the people. not what's everyones opinion on my opinion.
OK - my opinion on people who don't gamble is the same as my opinion on those who do:

a). Good for them.
b). Not my business either way.

...i'm mostly talking about bums that sit around the pool room and not contribute anything. don't pay table time, food/drinks, or play anyone for anything.
If a pool hall wants to let people sit around for free, what business is it of mine? Why would I care? It's a business decision of the owners and not mine to second guess.

Pool hall I go to charges $4/hr/person, whether you shoot pool, play ping pong, play foosball, play air hockey, play billiards, play xbox, use internet computers, play darts, play wii, watch other people doing any of these other things, take a dump or stare at the wall while contemplating the afterlife. No one just sits there for free. Doesn't make any difference if they "play someone for something" or not - they're generating revenue of at least $4/hr (unless they're on a monthly membership, using prepaid time, or have some other special deal going - in which case it's still not free).

But again - if the owner lets people sit there for free, I don't see why its anyone else's business.
 
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OK - my opinion on people who don't gamble is the same as my opinion on those who do:

a). Good for them.
b). Not my business either way.

If a pool hall wants to let people sit around for free, what business is it of mine? Why would I care? It's a business decision of the owners and not mine to second guess.

Pool hall I go to charges $4/hr/person, whether you shoot pool, watch other people shooting pool, take a dump or stare at the wall while contemplating the afterlife. No one just sits there for free.

they charge people just to be inside? don't they have to rent a table to be charged?


since you're indifferent anyway why don't you find another thread to nit pick. i'm pretty sure someone said "this always happens to me" in a thread i read a minute ago. you could go troll on that thread and argue that nothing "ALWAYS" happens
 
don't they have to rent a table to be charged?
No. As you are suggesting, why should they just sit there for free? If they are there, they are benefiting from the owner's rent and other expenses - and so they should contribute to them. Obviously a person derives value from being there, otherwise he/she would not be there - so it seems reasonable they should pay to be there, regardless of what they are doing or what their motivation is. But if an owner chooses to let them sit there for free, that owner must believe it is in his/her own best interest to do so. I don't think it is up to me to second guess that decision.
 
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No. As you are suggesting, why should they just sit there for free? If they are there, they are benefiting from the owner's rent and other expenses - and so they should contribute to them. Obviously a person derives value from being there, otherwise he/she would not be there - so it seems reasonable they should pay to be there, regardless of what they are doing or what their motivation is. But if an owner chooses to let them sit there for free, that owner must believe it is in his/her own best interest to do so. I don't think it is up to me to second guess that decision.

you gotta be bs'n. where do you play? i've never heard of a room charging people for doing nothing. every other room i've been to you have to rent a table or buy something to get charged.

if i came in a practiced for an hour and sat around, after turning my balls in, for an hour and they tried to charge me they wouldn't get a nickel for the hour i sat around
 
if i came in a practiced for an hour and sat around, after turning my balls in, for an hour and they tried to charge me they wouldn't get a nickel for the hour i sat around
If you turned in your balls and didn't leave, you would be reminded you are being charged to be there. If you wanted to create a scene, you would be told to leave - and if you refused to pay the amount due when you DID leave, you would be banned from returning.

It's kind of like going to Disneyland. You pay for admission. If you choose not to ride any of the rides while you are there, that's your choice. They will not let you in for free.
 
I dont gamble anymore . When i moved South all i see are guy's looking to steal .
It's funny I've been to a lot of poolrooms asked some people to play a set cheap like 5 for 20 and first thing they say , are you a road player ?

Ask them to play for fun they jump all over that .

Gamblers and money players are too kinds of people .

Gamblers put there money in action with anyone.
Money players only play people they can beat that can't play for money..
 
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If you turned in your balls and didn't leave, you would be reminded you are being charged to be there. If you wanted to create a scene, you would be told to leave - and if you refused to pay the amount due when you DID leave, you would be banned from returning.

It's kind of like going to Disneyland. You pay for admission. If you choose not to ride any of the rides while you are there, that's your choice. They will not let you in for free.

it's not like disneyland at all. you pay to get into disney land after that you can ride whatever you want without being charged again.

i wouldn't create a scene. i'd just refuse to pay because i hadn't gotten anything for my cash. they wouldn't have to ban me or anyone else i know. i don't associate with anyone that has enough dough to hand it out for nothing. the pool hall that you're probably making up wouldn't last long around here
 
When i moved South all i see are guy's looking to steal .
And this view I just don't understand at all. The whole "hustler" thing. The only reason to bet is because you believe you can win. Why bet if you believe you will lose? So, you have two guys who think they can win, and in the case of someone getting "robbed" you have someone foolish enough to ignore the fact that that the other person is only betting because they believe they can win. Why bet someone who you KNOW thinks he will win?? Your own damned ego, that's why. If the best guy in the world can manage to get money out of someone who is foolish enough to bet money he shouldn't bet, or worse, bet money he can't afford to lose, then good for him!

It's like all these morons losing money to the Nigerian scams, the penis enlargement products, the magic nutritional supplements, and whatever else. Anyone dumb enough to lose money on these things DESERVES to lose money on them and I don't blame the scammers one bit. Same for the guy who "hustles" someone else. If the "victim" were not greedy and trying to make a fast buck, he would have all of his money in his pocket.
 
i'd just refuse to pay because i hadn't gotten anything for my cash.
What you get for your cash is a recreational experience. If you choose not to take advantage of it while you're there, that's your own fault. And if you DO go there and "not do anything" then why the hell are you there anyway?

You also seem to want it both ways - you don't like it when people "sit and watch" without paying anything, and you don't like the idea of having to pay to "sit and watch".
 
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And this view I just don't understand at all. The whole "hustler" thing. The only reason to bet is because you believe you can win. Why bet if you believe you will lose? So, you have two guys who think they can win, and in the case of someone getting "robbed" you have someone foolish enough to ignore the fact that that the other person is only betting because they believe they can win. Why bet someone who you KNOW thinks he will win?? Your own damned ego, that's why. If the best guy in the world can manage to get money out of someone who is foolish enough to bet money he shouldn't bet, or worse, bet money he can't afford to lose, then good for him!

It's like all these morons losing money to the Nigerian scams, the penis enlargement products, the magic nutritional supplements, and whatever else. Anyone dumb enough to lose money on these things DESERVES to lose money on them and I don't blame the scammers one bit. Same for the guy who "hustles" someone else. If the "victim" were not greedy and trying to make a fast buck, he would have all of his money in his pocket.


people don't bet because they think they will lose. they do it because they think they can win. everyone understands that you don't have to win but you'll have a chance.

you're a funny kind of guy. i'm guessing you don't really play at all. everything you've said so far screams "non pool player"
 
people don't bet because they think they will lose. they do it because they think they can win. everyone understands that you don't have to win but you'll have a chance.
And everyone does have a chance.....just perhaps an impossibly small, small, small chance.

you're a funny kind of guy. i'm guessing you don't really play at all. everything you've said so far screams "non pool player"
Well, there you go (:
 
was I gambling?

I dont gamble anymore . When i moved South all i see are guy's looking to steal .
It's funny I've been to a lot of poolrooms asked some people to play a set cheap like 5 for 20 and first thing they say , are you a road player ?

Ask them to play for fun they jump all over that .

Gamblers and money players are too kinds of people .

Gamblers put there money in action with anyone.
Money players only play people they can beat that can't play for money..


I read all of this about gambling, smart players don't gamble. I played the road players that I bumped into or that sought me out but I also knew that I had a winning cushion of thousands and suckers waiting at dozens of different places to cover my losses. Where was the gamble? Once you get where you can beat around fifty percent of the players you play with it is all about matching up and money management.

Matching up was simple, if I didn't know you and usually if I did we played heads up. I never asked for a spot and rarely gave one. Money management was simple too. Don't bet enough to get hurt until you have rated the other player's speed. Bet smart and it simply isn't a gamble because you can't lose over the long run. Bet stupid and it isn't a gamble either, you'll lose to the smart betters over the long run.

There can be a hell of a lot of difference between betting and gambling. Just because I'm betting doesn't mean I'm gambling. :) :wink: :)

Hu
 
Anytime I step up to the table and attempt to play this game, it's already a gamble.

Fred

I really got a laugh out of this.

Most pool players gamble, and most like it. All I am asking is that we try to do it in a way it does not make the game look like it is for criminals. Like when a pro asks a novice to play he says no they ask five more times this is distatesful. It makes the pool look like a beggers sport, this is not helpful towards our cause. The other thing I have noticed in gambling is that sometimes people lose their heads, and start yelling profanity's (I am guilty of this one when I was younger, and sorry to everyone that ever had to endure it). Another problem is the kids that get used by bookies in the pool world. This should go without saying....Discraseful to exploit minors to make money.
 
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I really got a laugh out of this.

Most pool players gamble, and most like it. All I am asking is that we try to do it in a way it does not make the game look like it is for criminals. Like when a pro asks a novice to play he says no they ask five more times this is distatesful. It makes the pool look like a beggers sport, this is not helpful towards our cause. The other thing I have noticed in gambling is that sometimes people lose their heads, and start yelling profanity's (I am guilty of this one when I was younger, and sorry to everyone that ever had to endure it). Another problem is the kids that get used by bookies in the pool world. This should go without saying....Discraseful to exploit minors to make money.

Yeah, in No other walks of life is it like this. Huh? So, I should sell my line of fourteen year old hookers?



You guys know I'm joking.
 
Just curious which side of the fence your on? If you love playing the game what would time/effort have to do with it in regards to cheap sets.

I play all the time and gamble very very little anymore. Playing for 20.00 sets isn't worth my time since 99.99% of the time I will win one set and the other player will quit. People who play that cheap won't lose anything. I would rather play for nothing and play longer that way.
 
If that's all you have, it's more gambling than you betting a hundred!

If all he has is 20.00 he's probably a full time pool player and you can't win anything from him anyway! The point is playing that cheap a player wont lose but one set while he is trying to win 5 sets. If he wanted to play a guarnteed 3 or 4 sets then I would play and have done so knowing I'm getting even money on the money I am willing to lose. Still playing this low is entertainment not gambling IMO.
 
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If all he has is 20.00 he's probably a full time pool player and you can't win anything from him anyway! The point is playing that cheap a player wont lose but one set while he is trying to win 5 sets. If he wanted to play a guarnteed 3 or 4 sets then I would play and have done so knowing I'm getting even money on the money I am willing to lose. Still playing this low is entertainment not gambling IMO.

now that's not really true. i play 20 dollar sets all the time and i'll usually lose a hundred before i quit. i get what you're trying to get at though. i've had it happen to me before too. i lost 3 sets at 20 a set and as soon as i got even and have a chance to win the other guy quit.

i've even lost a set for 20 and had to break a 50 to pay off. the guy i was playing didn't have change:angry:
 
I play all the time and gamble very very little anymore. Playing for 20.00 sets isn't worth my time since 99.99% of the time I will win one set and the other player will quit. People who play that cheap won't lose anything. I would rather play for nothing and play longer that way.

if you're going to win 99.99% of the time you might as well play and get the free 20.
 
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