????When the Japanese market dries up????

Sounds like the Japanese market is now just Lucky.

It always goes in cycles anyway. In the travel industry, the Japanese market doesn't dry up, it implodes. The stock market crash and subsequent 10 year recession in Japan left massive hotels in Waikiki just sitting empty trying to sell to an American and Canadian market who had been turned off by the price gouging, poor service, shoddiness and tackiness the Japanese were willing to tolerate.

The best analogy of Japanese buying habits I can come up with is that everybody jumps into the pool at once, and everyone jumps back out at once.

I like doing business with Japanese myself, but I've seen first hand the consumer uni-mind, and it's kind of scary. It might be prudent to keep a few other doors open as well.

Chris
 
TATE said:
Sounds like the Japanese market is now just Lucky.

It always goes in cycles anyway. In the travel industry, the Japanese market doesn't dry up, it implodes. The stock market crash and subsequent 10 year recession in Japan left massive hotels in Waikiki just sitting empty trying to sell to an American and Canadian market who had been turned off by the price gouging, poor service, shoddiness and tackiness the Japanese were willing to tolerate.

The best analogy of Japanese buying habits I can come up with is that everybody jumps into the pool at once, and everyone jumps back out at once.

I like doing business with Japanese myself, but I've seen first hand the consumer uni-mind, and it's kind of scary. It might be prudent to keep a few other doors open as well.

Chris
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why do i keep coming back to ed prewitt. i frigging love his guy's work. he's one of the most meticulous, imo. but maybe i'm just pissed i can't own one. i don't know how much his cues are japanese driven, but there's plain no nothing cues by him, with maybe two rings going for almost 2k, which is totally obscene
 
I just acquired on of Ed's cues and it is some of the most meticulous there is. it is a plain ebony, but 5 rings, each ring is an ivory band with 48 individual abalone inlays, bordered by two silver outer rings. To me, this workmanship makes the cue completely worth the $2K-
 
SirBanksALot said:
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Ala Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction... "allow me to retort....":D

I would not even begin to argue with you - that's your business. And you are correct - I am not prophetic.

As an innocent but somewhat interested bystander I would only say that you can feel free to email me and remind me you were right when the "....market dries up" and DB cues are sitting idle in his shop and begging for a US home.
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First things first.. I did not mention the Japanese market drying up, that is what the thread is about. Personally, I think it will get closer to the US market at some point in terms of cues, number of cues, etc..

SirBanksALot said:
But, as you point out, it is business and it could be in your best business interests for DB cues not to sell if they are an entree into the US market and you don't have in your inventory. After all you do have a ton of dinero tied up in inventory - so your logic and perception could be somewhat tinted by dinero.
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Did you read the part where I said it didn't matter and nobody gave a crap? My logic is tied up not in dinero, but in common sense. Its a nice try to spin it that way, you sure you ain't Jimbo? Anyways, it's common sense. You have a guy who abandoned the US market for a buck, thats the easiest and simplist way to put it. I don't blame him. To imply the US to crawl back to him if he cannot sell to Japan, is crazy. Or that people are mad they cannot get one. Why? Because right now there are a half dozen people who can execute the butterfly splice as good or BETTER. Not to mention, cheaper.

SirBanksALot said:
In a perfect world - you will continue to sell your inventory as you see fit and what price you choose and DB will do the same.

Personally - I don't necessarily care for butterfly cues and plus way out of my price range.....

But - I do have enough money to talk about that Tascarella on your website (Cue #603)-does this mean I can't hope to negotiate a better price than what your website shows?? I'll agree to whatever you say if it gets me a Tascarella without busting the budget and pissing my wife off !!!
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I agree with the first sentence. Only if you buy from Lucky on the second sentence. Now the last bit, you're getting braver. You could try to negotiate, and with us you could. Why? Because you can have any number of Tascarellas that are for sale anywhere, or call Pete yourself. Which is a whole nother arguement. :)

Joe
 
classiccues said:
First things first.. I did not mention the Japanese market drying up, that is what the thread is about. Personally, I think it will get closer to the US market at some point in terms of cues, number of cues, etc..



Did you read the part where I said it didn't matter and nobody gave a crap? My logic is tied up not in dinero, but in common sense. Its a nice try to spin it that way, you sure you ain't Jimbo? Anyways, it's common sense. You have a guy who abandoned the US market for a buck, thats the easiest and simplist way to put it. I don't blame him. To imply the US to crawl back to him if he cannot sell to Japan, is crazy. Or that people are mad they cannot get one. Why? Because right now there are a half dozen people who can execute the butterfly splice as good or BETTER. Not to mention, cheaper.



I agree with the first sentence. Only if you buy from Lucky on the second sentence. Now the last bit, you're getting braver. You could try to negotiate, and with us you could. Why? Because you can have any number of Tascarellas that are for sale anywhere, or call Pete yourself. Which is a whole nother arguement. :)

Joe
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I've bought two cues from you guys throughout the years and I've been happy with both deals. I'm glad you guys do what you do because when I get a "jones" for a cue - I just can't wait for Pete or Dennis or Tim or ...??

Relative to the DB issue - I think its all perceptive and depends on whose glasses your viewing the situation through...:) :)
 
Joe....Speaking of the butterfly splice - I'd like to take a moment and put a plug in for another "Arizona Butterfly Splicer" - hereafter known as an ABS :D

Scott Whisler, who is about 10 miles east of here, is really doing some nice work. In addition to his full splice cues - he has built some beautiful butterfly splice cues. I hope he is one of the "half dozen people" you are referring to!
WhislerCues.com.
 
SirBanksALot said:
I've bought two cues from you guys throughout the years and I've been happy with both deals. I'm glad you guys do what you do because when I get a "jones" for a cue - I just can't wait for Pete or Dennis or Tim or ...??

Relative to the DB issue - I think its all perceptive and depends on whose glasses your viewing the situation through...:) :)
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Thank you very much..

I agree wholeheartidly.. I wish DB as much success as I do all cuemakers, it means the markets up :) I know one of my last posts about DB in another thread came through a little rigid, but like you say, its where you stand.

Joe
 
SirBanksALot said:
Joe....Speaking of the butterfly splice - I'd like to take a moment and put a plug in for another "Arizona Butterfly Splicer" - hereafter known as an ABS :D

Scott Whisler, who is about 10 miles east of here, is really doing some nice work. In addition to his full splice cues - he has built some beautiful butterfly splice cues. I hope he is one of the "half dozen people" you are referring to!
WhislerCues.com.
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I have seen one or two, only in pictures. But its a great technique and IMHO done right and tight, it's really outta sight...

Snoop Joey Joe...
 
classiccues said:
I have seen one or two, only in pictures. But its a great technique and IMHO done right and tight, it's really outta sight...

Snoop Joey Joe...
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Mr. Snoop Joe Sir ....

I don't know your business but I've been around for awhile and have always been fortunate enough to have enough $$$ to buy whatever I wanted to buy. Scott Whisler is doing great work, he continues to refine his technique and he is PASSIONATE about what he does.

Give him a call - he'll probably be able to send you a cue or two - help him along if you can. He's a good guy and you won't be sorry.

Now - about that Tascarella...................:)
 
SirBanksALot said:
Mr. Snoop Joe Sir ....

I don't know your business but I've been around for awhile and have always been fortunate enough to have enough $$$ to buy whatever I wanted to buy. Scott Whisler is doing great work, he continues to refine his technique and he is PASSIONATE about what he does.

Give him a call - he'll probably be able to send you a cue or two - help him along if you can. He's a good guy and you won't be sorry.

Now - about that Tascarella...................:)
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I went to the site and they look nice. EXCEPT the huge radius CNC stuff makes me extremely nauscious.. My computer monitor started convulsing and I was getting that Linda Blair Exorcist game picture... Thats enough to scare me away.. lol :)

The Tascarella has been dropped a grand.. if its not sold at the show then call Mark and maybe you can get him lower. But I think if he doesn't get the 3350.00 its going into the vault. (Sorry Marcus)

Joe
 
I went to the site and they look nice. EXCEPT the huge radius CNC stuff makes me extremely nauscious..[SIC} My computer monitor started convulsing and I was getting that Linda Blair Exorcist game picture... Thats enough to scare me away.. lol

I have no CNC equipment. You are obviously referring to the only cue on my site that has the abalone diamonds set into the ebony with rounded tips. The customer not only ordered the cue this way, but supplied the abalone shells and the redwood burl, as he lives in northern California. I tried, unsuccessfully, to talk him out of the rounded tips.

Thanks for viewing the site, though, and feel free to contact me with any questions/comments.

Scott
 
ScottWhisler said:
I went to the site and they look nice. EXCEPT the huge radius CNC stuff makes me extremely nauscious..[SIC} My computer monitor started convulsing and I was getting that Linda Blair Exorcist game picture... Thats enough to scare me away.. lol

I have no CNC equipment. You are obviously referring to the only cue on my site that has the abalone diamonds set into the ebony with rounded tips. The customer not only ordered the cue this way, but supplied the abalone shells and the redwood burl, as he lives in northern California. I tried, unsuccessfully, to talk him out of the rounded tips.

Thanks for viewing the site, though, and feel free to contact me with any questions/comments.

Scott
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Actually.. that cue, the cue with the ebony rounded points with inlays, Thor, the heartbeat cue, all the inlays look very rounded. CNC or otherwise. But the JohnN-6 cue and the Burl box cue are interesting.

Joe
 
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