When the Student finally beat the Teacher...

Mr. J

Jeff Jimenez
Silver Member
Another topic to have some fun with here. I am sure there are others out there who have their own story and hopefully you won't mind sharing...

For me, I have had several teachers during my 20+ years of playing and most of them I have defeated by now...only a few left that maybe someday I will end up on the high side of the big match...

Anyway, I had this one teacher who definately was/is a world class player. This was probabaly our 4th or 5th encounter. When we played it was a race to 9 on the 8 footers. The pockets were respectably tight and it was finally my day with my teacher. I knew he was one who was somewhat sensitive to his opponents when in matches , especially in the regional events that we attend up here in the northwest and west coast area of the nation. Knowing that he was very perticular about many things, I stayed far out of sight from him during our match as to not disturb him in any way. I am one who definately knows match play edicate and good pool edicate in general all the way around.

Anyway, he said to me at the start of the match good luck and please no talking and silly stuff while we play. Sometimes I laugh at myself when I make mistakes. I did not even say nice shot or anything and stayed far from the table when he was having his turn. Somehow he could not get comfortable and was playing bad. He told me to stay closer to the table and so I did. He still could not find his game and when I had my turn, I could just do no wrong... I suppose he knew that my skills were on the rise and that I legitamatly had a chance to win the match from the start. I ended up winning 9-7 and that was a big day for me. I ended up 2nd in the regional event and made 600 dollars or so....

That day was one that I will never forget and sure was a stepping stone for me and my skill development and confidence...

I was and am well aware that he played bad and for a bit, I could do no wrong at the table...most of times I have defeated the champions they played bad. Only a couple of times did I actually play good with only a couple of mistakes...

I did not reveal any names here because they are not needed...just the story will most likely be good enough...

Thanks again,

Mr. J.
 
Thanks my friend...

How should I respond..ok,...

"I get lucky...sometimes I never meese"......ha ha....

Your the best Jay...

Jeff
 
P.S. You won't hear a lot of players from the Northwest saying Jeff overrates his game. He can play, and has the respect of everyone up there. If anything Jeff is pretty low key about his abilities. He has held his own and then some in several major West Coast events the last few years.
 
Nice Job

Good Job Jeff. I know what you mean, It is a good feeling. This year at midwest I ended up having to play a good friend from my league team, that has been a teacher to me over tha last few years. He has always played at a higher level than me. I fully expected him to put me into the loser side, but I played probably better than I ever have and got him. It felt like I moved up a notch that day.
 
The best part for me is the pride our mentors or teachers have when we finally, in their eyes, do well.

I had my billiard mentor come over my house, rack up the balls for me, and I ran out on him first rack! I knew he was proud of my game because he told me so. Not many games mean as much as that moment to me, really.
 
Mr. J said:
He told me to stay closer to the table and so I did.
Mr. J.

Mr. J,
Why would he say "Stay closer to the table"? Wouldn't that distract him even more?
JoeyA
 
WGT, Jeff

Mr. J said:
Another topic to have some fun with here. I am sure there are others out there who have their own story and hopefully you won't mind sharing...

For me, I have had several teachers during my 20+ years of playing and most of them I have defeated by now...only a few left that maybe someday I will end up on the high side of the big match...

Anyway, I had this one teacher who definately was/is a world class player. This was probabaly our 4th or 5th encounter. When we played it was a race to 9 on the 8 footers. The pockets were respectably tight and it was finally my day with my teacher. I knew he was one who was somewhat sensitive to his opponents when in matches , especially in the regional events that we attend up here in the northwest and west coast area of the nation. Knowing that he was very perticular about many things, I stayed far out of sight from him during our match as to not disturb him in any way. I am one who definately knows match play edicate and good pool edicate in general all the way around.

Anyway, he said to me at the start of the match good luck and please no talking and silly stuff while we play. Sometimes I laugh at myself when I make mistakes. I did not even say nice shot or anything and stayed far from the table when he was having his turn. Somehow he could not get comfortable and was playing bad. He told me to stay closer to the table and so I did. He still could not find his game and when I had my turn, I could just do no wrong... I suppose he knew that my skills were on the rise and that I legitamatly had a chance to win the match from the start. I ended up winning 9-7 and that was a big day for me. I ended up 2nd in the regional event and made 600 dollars or so....

That day was one that I will never forget and sure was a stepping stone for me and my skill development and confidence...

I was and am well aware that he played bad and for a bit, I could do no wrong at the table...most of times I have defeated the champions they played bad. Only a couple of times did I actually play good with only a couple of mistakes...

I did not reveal any names here because they are not needed...just the story will most likely be good enough...

Thanks again,

Mr. J.

Very nice inspiring story. I bet I could guess who it is. LOL But like you said, the great story is good enough.
And Jay is right. You are a good player. Humility,IMO, is the best way to go. Let your playing speak for you.
 
OK, I just cant help myself!!!!! I have a story too. LOL

I have a teacher/mentor that I have been playing scotch with on and off for about 6 years. I wont mention his name, (ok, Glen Atwell LOL)
My husband and I were down in portland on business one weekend and decided to visit Glen and go play in a tourney with him at KC Midway.
Glen and I met eachother on the A side in the third bracket. He didnt play great, made some mistakes and I ended up winning. He smiled like he was proud of me. I felt like I shouldnt of really beat him but thats the way it goes in tourneys. Then we met up in the finals, and guess what. I BEAT HIM AGAIN!!!!! I was very happy to win the tourney. BTW, I asked him about ten times if he let me win. LOL He said he would never do that.
I think he was very proud of me. He smiled when I won.
I remind him of that night on occassion. LOL He just smiles.
 
Milo said:
I have a teacher/mentor that I have been playing scotch with on and off for about 6 years. I wont mention his name, (ok, Glen Atwell LOL)
My husband and I were down in portland on business one weekend and decided to visit Glen and go play in a tourney with him at KC Midway.
Glen and I met eachother on the A side in the third bracket. He didnt play great, made some mistakes and I ended up winning. He smiled like he was proud of me. I felt like I shouldnt of really beat him but thats the way it goes in tourneys. Then we met up in the finals, and guess what. I BEAT HIM AGAIN!!!!! I was very happy to win the tourney. BTW, I asked him about ten times if he let me win. LOL He said he would never do that.
I think he was very proud of me. He smiled when I won.
I remind him of that night on occassion. LOL He just smiles.
Nice story and great win.
 
My mentor Andy Toth was a monster player. Just about daily 100 ball runner, and was known to give out 80 no count spots!

We played together for about 3 years while I worked at the Cue Corner, and I made a HUGE leap in speed learning from him. As far as I know I was the only person he ever taught because he said I was the only one that ever listened!:D

The only way he would teach me was if I gave up 9ball for a year to learn 14.1....which I did....booooing the whole way..I love rotation games.

So, after 2-1/2 years I was playing real strong, tourneys 5 nites a week, running 50's 60's every day, and playing anyone. After my 9ball ban was lifted we played races to 7 for 20 a few times a week.....he wins I pay and learn as we go....

One week things changed, i won a big weekly tourney at Concord billiards for like $800...not bad for a thursday nite thing. That weekend we butted heads and I won the first set 7/6 after going 4 and out from down 6/3.....after Andy put a 5 pack on me. I played solid, and only made a few safety errors. After that day I feared no one. I thought I would be happier when I won, but it was kind of a bummer?....

Theres something to getting in the box with a world beater a few times a week for couple years that hardens you, and lets you see real quick the speed of a player you might not know.

I never did beat Andy in a game of straight pool........yet!
G.
 
When the Student finally beat the Teacher

New York Blackie took delight in pounding on the young guys around the pool hall. I had been playing Blackie about once or twice a month for two years. We played one pocket for $5 a game and he stole from me easily without any sign or remorse.

Every now and then I would ask Blackie, " How did you make that shot?". He would most often say the same thing every time, "Well, you just gotta hit good" (and he was serious). In rare instances he might murmur something like, "you have to stun the cue ball" but it was with great reluctance. I learned by watching and paying. :smile: But after taking those beatings week after week, month after month for about two years, I finally came out one game on top and you would have thought the end of the world had come.

I asked him to play many times after that and all I got from him was, "you play too good son". Blackie in his late 60's could still give me all I could stand but he wasn't about to take a chance and I never played pool with the mime again.:sad:
JoeyA
 
Nervousness...I guess

JoeyA said:
Mr. J,
Why would he say "Stay closer to the table"? Wouldn't that distract him even more?
JoeyA

Joey, I suppose he just wanted things more towards the normal when we were at battle... Me being two tables away just made him even more nervous I suppose...

Gotta do what the teacher says...so back to my chair at our match table I went...

Jeff
 
never played my teacher

I never played the person that mentored me the most. I suspect that there came a time in our relationship when I was a better raw shotmaker than he was, I never figured I knew more about strategy. I suspect that he didn't want to crush someone still learning the game and when the time came that I would have stood some chance of beating him on a table I had no interest in doing it.

We were genuine friends I believe and I remember him with a great deal of respect. I suspect that respect wouldn't be quite as great had I decisively beaten him on a table a time or two. When we compete with people we establish a pecking order, be this just or not. I'm glad I never felt the need to compete with my friend and mentor.

Hu
 
Milo said:
I have a teacher/mentor that I have been playing scotch with on and off for about 6 years. I wont mention his name, (ok, Glen Atwell LOL)
My husband and I were down in portland on business one weekend and decided to visit Glen and go play in a tourney with him at KC Midway.
Glen and I met eachother on the A side in the third bracket. He didnt play great, made some mistakes and I ended up winning. He smiled like he was proud of me. I felt like I shouldnt of really beat him but thats the way it goes in tourneys. Then we met up in the finals, and guess what. I BEAT HIM AGAIN!!!!! I was very happy to win the tourney. BTW, I asked him about ten times if he let me win. LOL He said he would never do that.
I think he was very proud of me. He smiled when I won.
I remind him of that night on occassion. LOL He just smiles.

Glenn and I went to a little weekly tournament and we played for the hot seat and he let me win. I freely admitted it on here when it happened. :p When we met in the Finals, I gave it back to him and we split it anyway. Those races to 1-3 make the good players shake because anyone can beat them. Not taking anything away from you because you are capable of playing jam up no matter how long the race. ;) And he probably didn't let you win (he knew I needed the help though, lol) because you are a fierce competitor.

I know on our regular Friday and Saturday night tournaments at Mike's Place Tavern, I would play my husband Mike Zimmerman so many times and have to dump so he could win. It meant more for him to win the money and I didn't care, I just wanted to play. So I would just see if I could run out. He absolutely HATED it when I would run out all the way to the 8, be straight in a foot away, then fire it into the rail. :p Because it was pretty obvious, but I was just seeing if I could run out, because that was the attraction for me. I let him have the money.

And Jeff, I have the feeling you are talking about Mikey because he is so temperaMENTAL when he plays. What a baby! LOL Anyway, I know your game is on the improve.

BTW, Zak moved down here so now he has a crony to hang out with, although he hasn't yet, since he totally quit pool. Mary and Terry were down here yesterday and we missed them due to work obligations. :frown:
 
rackmsuckr said:
Glenn and I went to a little weekly tournament and we played for the hot seat and he let me win. I freely admitted it on here when it happened. :p When we met in the Finals, I gave it back to him and we split it anyway. Those races to 1-3 make the good players shake because anyone can beat them. Not taking anything away from you because you are capable of playing jam up no matter how long the race. ;) And he probably didn't let you win (he knew I needed the help though, lol) because you are a fierce competitor.

I know on our regular Friday and Saturday night tournaments at Mike's Place Tavern, I would play my husband Mike Zimmerman so many times and have to dump so he could win. It meant more for him to win the money and I didn't care, I just wanted to play. So I would just see if I could run out. He absolutely HATED it when I would run out all the way to the 8, be straight in a foot away, then fire it into the rail. :p Because it was pretty obvious, but I was just seeing if I could run out, because that was the attraction for me. I let him have the money.

And Jeff, I have the feeling you are talking about Mikey because he is so temperaMENTAL when he plays. What a baby! LOL Anyway, I know your game is on the improve.

BTW, Zak moved down here so now he has a crony to hang out with, although he hasn't yet, since he totally quit pool. Mary and Terry were down here yesterday and we missed them due to work obligations. :frown:

I can just see it, LOL, you down on the eight and Mikey getting red in the face. LOL
I remember playing Mike many times at CLB. He never let me shoot very often. LOL I dont think I have ever beaten Mike. Like you said, those short races, the big dogs get a little nervous at times, Mikey never did that with me. LOL He would just destroy me!!!! LOL
I really did appreciate it though, because that means maybe he took me a little seriously. Some guys didnt, Mikey always did.
And BTW, I consider Mike one of my teachers. I would watch him everyweek and learn. He probably has no idea how much he taught me. LOL Especially the defensive game.
See ya at the Parlor in August. Take Care
 
Thanks my friends...

Just wanted to say thanks to Jay, Joey, Andrea, Linda, and all the rest of you for you stories and input here...it has been great to read and enjoy your experiences too...

Jay....I think you need to contribute one of your "student finally beats the teacher" stories....I am sure everyone is waiting for that one!!! Especially me...

And Linda...since you already mentioned it...YES>>> YES...My teacher of my story is your Mike Zimmerman...THE GREAT Z-MAN....please continue to prod him to not quit pool...he is truly a world class player in all his abilities at the table. Tell him this...as you know, Dan Louie and I always together and Danny said something the other day to me about Mikey...Danny said.."Mike has more talent than me."...Those are big words as you know....so share that with my past/present teacher and coach Mikey...

The pool world needs our Champions for as long as possible...especially one so talented as Mike Zimmerman...

Thanks again,

Mr. J. (jeffreeeeeeeeeeee) that is what Mikey always used to call me......
 
Mr. J said:
Just wanted to say thanks to Jay, Joey, Andrea, Linda, and all the rest of you for you stories and input here...it has been great to read and enjoy your experiences too...

Jay....I think you need to contribute one of your "student finally beats the teacher" stories....I am sure everyone is waiting for that one!!! Especially me...

And Linda...since you already mentioned it...YES>>> YES...My teacher of my story is your Mike Zimmerman...THE GREAT Z-MAN....please continue to prod him to not quit pool...he is truly a world class player in all his abilities at the table. Tell him this...as you know, Dan Louie and I always together and Danny said something the other day to me about Mikey...Danny said.."Mike has more talent than me."...Those are big words as you know....so share that with my past/present teacher and coach Mikey...

The pool world needs our Champions for as long as possible...especially one so talented as Mike Zimmerman...

Thanks again,

Mr. J. (jeffreeeeeeeeeeee) that is what Mikey always used to call me......

I told him and he thought your sign off was cute. He also said to say hi to Danny but he has a job now and loves working. I think eventually he will get back to it. Bill Cress and I saw the glint in his eye a couple weeks ago when Mike and I both happened to be in Portland for work and we had some time in the pool room. Mike got to play a couple cheap 1-pocket games and his mastery started creeping out in some absolutely breathtaking creative plays. I think if he just practiced for a couple weeks, he would be almost as good as new.
 
I'll add one just because she's been on my mind for alot lately....
While I learned alot from all the players here in the Northwest, my hero to this day is Kimberly Kirk. She taught me so many great things about pool and on so many different levels..... from focus to attitude to all around sportsmanship. I learned not to "argue with the table" because it was a waste of mental energy. I think that was the lesson that beat her.

It was YEARS ago at a small pub in Kent called The Lucky Star...(Linda may know where that is...:wink: )

An ACW tournament, 8-ball of all things.... And we got into a HUGE safety battle. She left me behind a ball and all I could see was enough to make a HARD 90 degree cut. I made it and SLOOOWLY ran out. People actually clapped. She gave me a hug and my knees actually gave out a little. I will never forget it.

To this day we have an open Money Game going on.... we get together every four years and play 9-ball for $7 a rack. I owe her $35 dollars. Things are where they should be.....:D
 
Kimberly is the best!!!!!!

Cheesethe9 said:
I'll add one just because she's been on my mind for alot lately....
While I learned alot from all the players here in the Northwest, my hero to this day is Kimberly Kirk. She taught me so many great things about pool and on so many different levels..... from focus to attitude to all around sportsmanship. I learned not to "argue with the table" because it was a waste of mental energy. I think that was the lesson that beat her.

It was YEARS ago at a small pub in Kent called The Lucky Star...(Linda may know where that is...:wink: )

An ACW tournament, 8-ball of all things.... And we got into a HUGE safety battle. She left me behind a ball and all I could see was enough to make a HARD 90 degree cut. I made it and SLOOOWLY ran out. People actually clapped. She gave me a hug and my knees actually gave out a little. I will never forget it.

To this day we have an open Money Game going on.... we get together every four years and play 9-ball for $7 a rack. I owe her $35 dollars. Things are where they should be.....:D

I sure do miss Kimberly!!! She is such a great inspiring player. When she lived in my area for a few years, we would play once or twice a week. Boy,I miss those days. We would play 10.00 races to seven. LOL
Talked to her about a month ago. She sounds Happy!!!!! Good for her!!!!
I hope someday she starts playing again, She brings so much to womens pool in the Pac. NW.
 
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