Most people undercut --- that is one reason why TOI works for some...
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When you miss a ball
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Seems like everyone who posted here knows how they are going to miss "every" shot in a similar fashion be it under cut or over cut. This is amazing cuz I think its not a difficult thing to fix if a player "always" miss a shot in the "same way". And once you all get that fixed, you'll hardly miss a ball ever.
However, I am not a fortunate one in this case because for me how I am going to miss a shot depends on the shot itself. There are certain shots that I know I tend to overcut, and some I know I undercut. So, sadly I got learn "twice" as much as some one who always undercuts or overcuts to play at their level.
However, I am not a fortunate one in this case because for me how I am going to miss a shot depends on the shot itself. There are certain shots that I know I tend to overcut, and some I know I undercut. So, sadly I got learn "twice" as much as some one who always undercuts or overcuts to play at their level.
What is this "miss" of which you speak? :grin:
I would assume if you are consistently doing this on a left or right angle then it is down to an aiming error.
If you were under on one side and over on the other I would assume a cueing problem.
Unless of course you are trying to steer the balls in.
I would assume if you are consistently doing this on a left or right angle then it is down to an aiming error.
If you were under on one side and over on the other I would assume a cueing problem.
Unless of course you are trying to steer the balls in.
To the right and left are both different.
Hi there DrGonzo
As you saw with the Perfect Aim lessons a couple of years ago there are 2 different aiming situations.
We have a non dominant eye and a dominant eye.
For example. If you are right eye dominant you cut pretty well naturally to the right. But if the dominant eye is not in the most correct dominant position you will overcut this ball. Many times though when we cut to the right being right eye dominant the right eye almost naturally gets in the perfect position so over cutting is usually not a problem.
but when we cut the way of the non dominant eye the non dominant eye tries to work like the dominant eye and we see the shot too thick. If you see it thick your going to hit it too thick sometimes. We get pretty good at still making this with practice from repetition but by learning to get the eyes in the right position we can greatly increase our ability to aim.
Get the video back out and get the head and eyes in the correct position and you will greatly see the difference between your cuts to the right and the left.
If your right eye dominant you will hit the shots too thick when cutting to the left. If your left eye dominant to the right will be too thick.
Having over 2,000 personal lessons under my belt it is pretty safe to say that everyone is the same. I'm not just guessing here. I have solid proof.
With Perfect Aim I have it right. helping players everywhere play better than ever before. But as soon as your missing one part of the process it won't seen to work.
Give me a call and I'll run you through the phone lesson. Kind of like a tune up.
because the dominant eye gets in the correct position naturally and the overcutting is minimal for most we only notice that we undercut allot.
You will find that it is mostly when you cut the way of your non dominant eye.
If your right eye dominant it's to the left.
If your left eye dominant it's too the right.
Also a player needs to know for sure which eye is the dominant eye.
The pointing and finger tests for eye dominance doesn't work correctly for about 25% of all players.
So this won't seem right for the ones that have the wrong eye figured as dominant.
Once the dominant eye is figured out you can get there for sure............
Hi there DrGonzo
As you saw with the Perfect Aim lessons a couple of years ago there are 2 different aiming situations.
We have a non dominant eye and a dominant eye.
For example. If you are right eye dominant you cut pretty well naturally to the right. But if the dominant eye is not in the most correct dominant position you will overcut this ball. Many times though when we cut to the right being right eye dominant the right eye almost naturally gets in the perfect position so over cutting is usually not a problem.
but when we cut the way of the non dominant eye the non dominant eye tries to work like the dominant eye and we see the shot too thick. If you see it thick your going to hit it too thick sometimes. We get pretty good at still making this with practice from repetition but by learning to get the eyes in the right position we can greatly increase our ability to aim.
Get the video back out and get the head and eyes in the correct position and you will greatly see the difference between your cuts to the right and the left.
If your right eye dominant you will hit the shots too thick when cutting to the left. If your left eye dominant to the right will be too thick.
Having over 2,000 personal lessons under my belt it is pretty safe to say that everyone is the same. I'm not just guessing here. I have solid proof.
With Perfect Aim I have it right. helping players everywhere play better than ever before. But as soon as your missing one part of the process it won't seen to work.
Give me a call and I'll run you through the phone lesson. Kind of like a tune up.
because the dominant eye gets in the correct position naturally and the overcutting is minimal for most we only notice that we undercut allot.
You will find that it is mostly when you cut the way of your non dominant eye.
If your right eye dominant it's to the left.
If your left eye dominant it's too the right.
Also a player needs to know for sure which eye is the dominant eye.
The pointing and finger tests for eye dominance doesn't work correctly for about 25% of all players.
So this won't seem right for the ones that have the wrong eye figured as dominant.
Once the dominant eye is figured out you can get there for sure............
I remember the time my old lady found me running around on her, seems like the first 4 ladies I "visited" kept things under wraps, but the 5th was a bit mouthy and word got around. To make a long story short, I woke up one night and found myself feeling a bit lob-sided in the nether regions. Well, turns out during the night, she took a knife and chopped off one of the fellers. Lucky for me, the cut was not deep so ended up OK for me at the end, aside from a few crewel nicknames I got at the gym.
I still miss my ball and it was under cut.
... in honor of Tramp Steamer .... :grin::wink:
You drill a hole in the wall at the women's shower at the gym. Peek though one eye at a time. Whichever eye the women look sexier in is your dominant eye.
What did you think they were doing in Porkey's? They had a pool tournament the next day and were just in preparation.
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When you notice the ball getting hit to thick, the trick is to set down on the shot as normal, and then manually change the aiming point.
I do this for all cross side banks. For some reason, when I am down on the bank shot, if I play it as is - the OB always comes up short. I simply shift the aiming point a bit and the shot goes in 80% of the time.
I don't know why my back brain just shift to the correct line - and I don't care anymore. The adjustment is part of my pre-shot routine on any bank.
The lesson is - if you aren't making it using your automated routines, then force an adjustment before you execute the shot.
I do this for all cross side banks. For some reason, when I am down on the bank shot, if I play it as is - the OB always comes up short. I simply shift the aiming point a bit and the shot goes in 80% of the time.
I don't know why my back brain just shift to the correct line - and I don't care anymore. The adjustment is part of my pre-shot routine on any bank.
The lesson is - if you aren't making it using your automated routines, then force an adjustment before you execute the shot.
With both eyes open, point your index finger at a distant object.
Now close one eye. If your finger is still pointing at the distant object, that is your dominant eye.
If instead, your finger is way off to the side of the distant object, then that eye is not your dominant eye.
Me too. I had so much trouble with a 4 ball cut drill today that I gave up. I haven't had so much trouble with that drill since the first time I did it a couple years ago. I was over cutting every shot it seemed. :angry:
-J
I agree with this. I also think they do not adjust for cling time. I would rather miss on the pro side if i miss. I am asumming we are cutting the ball going towards the rail. If i am going away from the rail thats a total different beast in my opinion. My weakness.
not IMHO just how it is
by far the best post out of all, nice to not see someone quote from a book or dvd. The answer is right there, you suck at aiming.... or cueing.
I'm sorry to say guy but that's were it all starts, by no means not taking away from proven fact on throw and all that good stuff but that is only or mainly with certain shots over certain distances, depending on the pocket size that you're (and not your, for crying out loud) playing on 8/10 times "you're" coming at the pocket and thus having room to allow throw, if not aimed properly a shot will not go.
I am willing to bet (and since this is the internet most will argue that they do) that over 90% of the people here although looking at the OB do not actually look at the collision which is what will give you all the info that you need, if you are contacting were you aimed, or if your contact point was right. Do you really think that the pros are out there calculating this stuff, NO, they are pros cause the has mastered the art of delivering teh CB on target more consistantly the us mortals.
To many of us and to many times we feel that "we" know best and don't need to walk to the other side of the ball and check for the proper contact point, thus resulting in a miss due to over/under cut.
by far the best post out of all, nice to not see someone quote from a book or dvd. The answer is right there, you suck at aiming.... or cueing.
I'm sorry to say guy but that's were it all starts, by no means not taking away from proven fact on throw and all that good stuff but that is only or mainly with certain shots over certain distances, depending on the pocket size that you're (and not your, for crying out loud) playing on 8/10 times "you're" coming at the pocket and thus having room to allow throw, if not aimed properly a shot will not go.
I am willing to bet (and since this is the internet most will argue that they do) that over 90% of the people here although looking at the OB do not actually look at the collision which is what will give you all the info that you need, if you are contacting were you aimed, or if your contact point was right. Do you really think that the pros are out there calculating this stuff, NO, they are pros cause the has mastered the art of delivering teh CB on target more consistantly the us mortals.
To many of us and to many times we feel that "we" know best and don't need to walk to the other side of the ball and check for the proper contact point, thus resulting in a miss due to over/under cut.
Usually from trying cut it thinner than deli meat. Sometimes I hit so hard you can see the OB move like a fly farted on it as ole whitey goes sailing. Still ends in a foul for me :sorry:
There is only one way that is fool proof......
When you are down on a straight in long shot most players will get down in the most dominant position naturally. But some even have trouble with this.
Once down on the shot just move your head from side to side. You will see that you can make each eye do the majority of the shooting. When your head is to the right more your left eye is in the dominant position. When you move to the left your right eye is in the dominant position.
Just play with this a little.
Chances are if you play allot and play well your in this more natural position on the straight in shot. You have both sides of the cue ball and the object ball to line up.
Not so when we cut to the right or cut to the left.
It's almost like trying to shoot jacked up with one hand trying to line up naturally without knowing where the eyes need to be.
These are the shots that don't quite look right sometimes when we get down. If you don't know how to correct the look you just keep missing the same shots over and over.
It's like we say in our mind, Oh no, this shiot again, and we just do the best we can do.
Once you know the dominant eye and know how to correct your aim the shot will always look good. If not you know how to correct it right away.
I call it giving up on the shot. Don't know how to make it look better eventually you have to shoot.
Once you learn how to aim correctly you don't ever need to give up on a shot again.
You still might miss it but you had the best chance possible to make the shot.
My claim of cutting a players misses in half is actually an under estimate. If a player really works on the eye position the way they should the sky is the limit and it becomes so much more fun to play.
If you don't know the correct dominant pool shooting eye for sure you can't correct your aim manually.
How well would you shoot a gun by just pointing it?
Once you line up the sight with the sight you can consistently hit the target.
The sights are there on a pool shot.
We just need to learn where they are for us to really tweak the aim.
Once a player learns perfect Aim they know that the dominant eye is a must if you really want to zero in. And not just knowing it but knowing how to keep it dominant all the time.
Otherwise just hit a million balls. You can still get there like most of the pros that play 5 to 6 hours a day.
Knowing the dominant eye and learning how to use it is so huge with the aiming.
I don't know what else to say.
I just keep traveling and teaching and helping players everywhere.
The lucky ones are the ones that listen and learn.
And I feel pretty lucky to be able to show them.
It don't get any better than that..........
When you are down on a straight in long shot most players will get down in the most dominant position naturally. But some even have trouble with this.
Once down on the shot just move your head from side to side. You will see that you can make each eye do the majority of the shooting. When your head is to the right more your left eye is in the dominant position. When you move to the left your right eye is in the dominant position.
Just play with this a little.
Chances are if you play allot and play well your in this more natural position on the straight in shot. You have both sides of the cue ball and the object ball to line up.
Not so when we cut to the right or cut to the left.
It's almost like trying to shoot jacked up with one hand trying to line up naturally without knowing where the eyes need to be.
These are the shots that don't quite look right sometimes when we get down. If you don't know how to correct the look you just keep missing the same shots over and over.
It's like we say in our mind, Oh no, this shiot again, and we just do the best we can do.
Once you know the dominant eye and know how to correct your aim the shot will always look good. If not you know how to correct it right away.
I call it giving up on the shot. Don't know how to make it look better eventually you have to shoot.
Once you learn how to aim correctly you don't ever need to give up on a shot again.
You still might miss it but you had the best chance possible to make the shot.
My claim of cutting a players misses in half is actually an under estimate. If a player really works on the eye position the way they should the sky is the limit and it becomes so much more fun to play.
If you don't know the correct dominant pool shooting eye for sure you can't correct your aim manually.
How well would you shoot a gun by just pointing it?
Once you line up the sight with the sight you can consistently hit the target.
The sights are there on a pool shot.
We just need to learn where they are for us to really tweak the aim.
Once a player learns perfect Aim they know that the dominant eye is a must if you really want to zero in. And not just knowing it but knowing how to keep it dominant all the time.
Otherwise just hit a million balls. You can still get there like most of the pros that play 5 to 6 hours a day.
Knowing the dominant eye and learning how to use it is so huge with the aiming.
I don't know what else to say.
I just keep traveling and teaching and helping players everywhere.
The lucky ones are the ones that listen and learn.
And I feel pretty lucky to be able to show them.
It don't get any better than that..........
Cueing error
I have yet to see a some one shoot a gun with anything other than the eye on the same side of the trigger hand however that does not mean that's their dominate eye
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