Where are all of the sticks going?

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I am going to try to convey this question the best I can, but I'm having trouble with how to word this. Couple things; I don't want this to be a debate about what a " custom " cue is. For the purpose of this conversation custom will be used generically meaning a cue that cost $400 and up, made by independent shops ( usually smaller operations ), and catalog cues are to be included.

So we all know for the most part the used cue market has been in the toilet for quite awhile. So this discussion is strictly about new cue sales. I believe most of us on here can probably name 20-30 cue makers, and even if we can't name them we would reconize their name if we heard it. Now I don't have any concrete production #'s but what I do know is on the extreme so makers are only putting out maybe a dozen cues a year. On the other end of the extreme probably several hundred and everything in between . So all together we are talking about cues in the thousands I would guess. I set the minimum price at $400 but no cap on price. We all know the very expensive cues are a very very limited market, almost irrelevant for the purposes discussed here.

I am going to go out on a limb and say the most the average league player pays for a cue is going to be between $300-$400. We know there are what about a million league players all together ? So we know the market for the high end cues are normally the serious collectors and the cheapest cues are normally bangers or those just starting out and the intermediate cues are probably what most of us use. I'd also imagine that the average person that buys a cue will have it for years, ie not a new cue every year. Remember I said average, not like us pool junkies lol.

So with however many cue makers there are out there - 40?50?60? More? All pumping out varying amounts of cues, and I haven't even included all the production cues sold each year - Predator, Meucci, McDermott etc that adds up to a WHOLE LOT of cues every year . Year after year after year.............Now we can add in the secondary market which I have no idea the total # but I'm sure there are tons of sales there too - price not withstanding.

So that brings me to my ultimate question : where are all of these cues going to. Sorry it took me a bit to get there but I needed to put the question in context. Doesn't it seem that the total amount of cues being sold each and every year is way disproportionate to the buyers? I have only out this in perspective of the US market and of course there is a worldwide market, but still ? Speaking of the production side of thing - with companies like Predator and the others I mentioned and still not yet taking into consideration all of those Chinese knock offs is have to imagine now we are talking into the hundreds of thousands cues each and every year? I'm just wondering where the hell all of these cues are going to? Is it possible that the cue supply is SO TERRIBLY over saturated that is the cause for the tanking secondary market? Seems it could be athe least a good portion of the problem, yet everyone continues to keep pumping them out year after year. I welcome all thoughts on this thanks!
 
They are being sold to bar players playing on bar boxes. I think it might surprise everyone how many millennials are sitting in upscale bars drinking IPA's, having good jobs, and playing pool using $400 production sticks. You don't see these players in our beloved poolrooms and they are not playing APA. Just hanging around their favorite watering hole after work, hanging with their buds, and playing 8 ball. They have tournaments at these watering holes too. I have this information from my millennial son who has a good job and whom I have kidnapped and brought to the poolroom for some real pool. He loves to go to the Saturday night tournaments at his work watering hole. The knowledge he has gained from the poolroom has brought him much success in these banger tournaments. As far as custom cues, where do they all go? I do know some guys that just collect and never sell. They have hoards of customs.
 
There is a local cuemaker here. I see one his newly made cues every so often in a players hands locally, but just about every time I visit his shop he is preping a shipment of his cues, usually about at least a half dozen or so for shipment to an Asian or Eastern European country.
 
I know Tad was sending a majority of their cues to Asia. That was about 6-8 years ago, probably not much has changed.
 
This seems to me, to be a HUGE opportunity to get into making cues..... for those of you who dabble in such things. There is increasing demand...

Lesh
 
I am going to try to convey this question the best I can, but I'm having trouble with how to word this. Couple things; I don't want this to be a debate about what a " custom " cue is. For the purpose of this conversation custom will be used generically meaning a cue that cost $400 and up, made by independent shops ( usually smaller operations ), and catalog cues are to be included.

So we all know for the most part the used cue market has been in the toilet for quite awhile. So this discussion is strictly about new cue sales. I believe most of us on here can probably name 20-30 cue makers, and even if we can't name them we would reconize their name if we heard it. Now I don't have any concrete production #'s but what I do know is on the extreme so makers are only putting out maybe a dozen cues a year. On the other end of the extreme probably several hundred and everything in between . So all together we are talking about cues in the thousands I would guess. I set the minimum price at $400 but no cap on price. We all know the very expensive cues are a very very limited market, almost irrelevant for the purposes discussed here.

I am going to go out on a limb and say the most the average league player pays for a cue is going to be between $300-$400. We know there are what about a million league players all together ? So we know the market for the high end cues are normally the serious collectors and the cheapest cues are normally bangers or those just starting out and the intermediate cues are probably what most of us use. I'd also imagine that the average person that buys a cue will have it for years, ie not a new cue every year. Remember I said average, not like us pool junkies lol.

So with however many cue makers there are out there - 40?50?60? More? All pumping out varying amounts of cues, and I haven't even included all the production cues sold each year - Predator, Meucci, McDermott etc that adds up to a WHOLE LOT of cues every year . Year after year after year.............Now we can add in the secondary market which I have no idea the total # but I'm sure there are tons of sales there too - price not withstanding.

So that brings me to my ultimate question : where are all of these cues going to. Sorry it took me a bit to get there but I needed to put the question in context. Doesn't it seem that the total amount of cues being sold each and every year is way disproportionate to the buyers? I have only out this in perspective of the US market and of course there is a worldwide market, but still ? Speaking of the production side of thing - with companies like Predator and the others I mentioned and still not yet taking into consideration all of those Chinese knock offs is have to imagine now we are talking into the hundreds of thousands cues each and every year? I'm just wondering where the hell all of these cues are going to? Is it possible that the cue supply is SO TERRIBLY over saturated that is the cause for the tanking secondary market? Seems it could be athe least a good portion of the problem, yet everyone continues to keep pumping them out year after year. I welcome all thoughts on this thanks!

Easy answer!!!

OVERSEAS!!!

How many cue makers outside of the USA??? Not many! So, the surge globally in asia and europe is being meet by USA cue makers! Just my opinion and my 2 cents!

Yes, collections are more abundant now then years ago when it was odd to have 2 cues! Now, you have break cues & jump cues! those things were unheard of! Next leagues have grown the sport and demand exponentially and bangers up grade or try customs to improve their game.

Kd
 
They are being sold to bar players playing on bar boxes. I think it might surprise everyone how many millennials are sitting in upscale bars drinking IPA's, having good jobs, and playing pool using $400 production sticks. You don't see these players in our beloved poolrooms and they are not playing APA. Just hanging around their favorite watering hole after work, hanging with their buds, and playing 8 ball. They have tournaments at these watering holes too. I have this information from my millennial son who has a good job and whom I have kidnapped and brought to the poolroom for some real pool. He loves to go to the Saturday night tournaments at his work watering hole. The knowledge he has gained from the poolroom has brought him much success in these banger tournaments. As far as custom cues, where do they all go? I do know some guys that just collect and never sell. They have hoards of customs.

A fairly high percentage of people that play APA here have cues that are in the $400 range, and more than a few having cues that go for much higher.
 
A fairly high percentage of people that play APA here have cues that are in the $400 range, and more than a few having cues that go for much higher.

Loads of APA around here in the Philly area too along with TAP and others like them but I'm talking about a large group that are not affiliated with any traditional pool society or group that have the money to spend on cues and have the desire to play. We gotta get them into the poolrooms.
 
Loads of APA around here in the Philly area too along with TAP and others like them but I'm talking about a large group that are not affiliated with any traditional pool society or group that have the money to spend on cues and have the desire to play. We gotta get them into the poolrooms.

Here fishie fishie fishie, here.........
 
Here fishie fishie fishie, here.........

HaHa. Something like that. They have to learn the game somehow right? All kidding aside, we need our rooms to stay open and thrive so we get our new cloth and such when it is time. That's what separates a good room form a bad room. We all cherish the time we have spent in our poolroom except for you Tramp. For you it's your sports bar and grill.
 
I am going to try to convey this question the best I can, but I'm having trouble with how to word this. Couple things; I don't want this to be a debate about what a " custom " cue is. For the purpose of this conversation custom will be used generically meaning a cue that cost $400 and up, made by independent shops ( usually smaller operations ), and catalog cues are to be included.

So we all know for the most part the used cue market has been in the toilet for quite awhile. So this discussion is strictly about new cue sales. I believe most of us on here can probably name 20-30 cue makers, and even if we can't name them we would reconize their name if we heard it. Now I don't have any concrete production #'s but what I do know is on the extreme so makers are only putting out maybe a dozen cues a year. On the other end of the extreme probably several hundred and everything in between . So all together we are talking about cues in the thousands I would guess. I set the minimum price at $400 but no cap on price. We all know the very expensive cues are a very very limited market, almost irrelevant for the purposes discussed here.

I am going to go out on a limb and say the most the average league player pays for a cue is going to be between $300-$400. We know there are what about a million league players all together ? So we know the market for the high end cues are normally the serious collectors and the cheapest cues are normally bangers or those just starting out and the intermediate cues are probably what most of us use. I'd also imagine that the average person that buys a cue will have it for years, ie not a new cue every year. Remember I said average, not like us pool junkies lol.

So with however many cue makers there are out there - 40?50?60? More? All pumping out varying amounts of cues, and I haven't even included all the production cues sold each year - Predator, Meucci, McDermott etc that adds up to a WHOLE LOT of cues every year . Year after year after year.............Now we can add in the secondary market which I have no idea the total # but I'm sure there are tons of sales there too - price not withstanding.

So that brings me to my ultimate question : where are all of these cues going to. Sorry it took me a bit to get there but I needed to put the question in context. Doesn't it seem that the total amount of cues being sold each and every year is way disproportionate to the buyers? I have only out this in perspective of the US market and of course there is a worldwide market, but still ? Speaking of the production side of thing - with companies like Predator and the others I mentioned and still not yet taking into consideration all of those Chinese knock offs is have to imagine now we are talking into the hundreds of thousands cues each and every year? I'm just wondering where the hell all of these cues are going to? Is it possible that the cue supply is SO TERRIBLY over saturated that is the cause for the tanking secondary market? Seems it could be athe least a good portion of the problem, yet everyone continues to keep pumping them out year after year. I welcome all thoughts on this thanks!


Could you explain the question?
 
anyone ever seen pics of the new car grave yards? the tens of thousands that dont sell....just think if someone dug up a container liek the one with the ET atari game....and it was full of vintage production cues lol.....palmers lol
 
They are being sold to bar players playing on bar boxes. I think it might surprise everyone how many millennials are sitting in upscale bars drinking IPA's, having good jobs, and playing pool using $400 production sticks. You don't see these players in our beloved poolrooms and they are not playing APA. Just hanging around their favorite watering hole after work, hanging with their buds, and playing 8 ball. They have tournaments at these watering holes too. I have this information from my millennial son who has a good job and whom I have kidnapped and brought to the poolroom for some real pool. He loves to go to the Saturday night tournaments at his work watering hole. The knowledge he has gained from the poolroom has brought him much success in these banger tournaments. As far as custom cues, where do they all go? I do know some guys that just collect and never sell. They have hoards of customs.

I usually split my drinking time between upscale and not, I 've never seen any bars like that. We'll have to go when I make it back up there.
Jason
 
I usually split my drinking time between upscale and not, I 've never seen any bars like that. We'll have to go when I make it back up there.
Jason

Yeah I'd like in on some of that too guys ! To be honest I'd be hard pressed to recall seeing someone with a cue; a $400 @ that, that was neither a pool hall guy or a leaguer.
 
anyone ever seen pics of the new car grave yards? l

I think new cars are a good analogy. They make 15 million new cars every year and they dont "wear out" that fast.

older cars (that are not highly collectible) just collect dust in people's driveways and back yards. I think older cues collect dust in people's closets until they finally decide what to do with them.....
 
I usually split my drinking time between upscale and not, I 've never seen any bars like that. We'll have to go when I make it back up there.
Jason

Hey Jason. These are young people in their twenties. You've met my son. They are his age. How ya been? Staying out of trouble? :cool:
 
I think new cars are a good analogy. They make 15 million new cars every year and they dont "wear out" that fast.

older cars (that are not highly collectible) just collect dust in people's driveways and back yards. I think older cues collect dust in people's closets until they finally decide what to do with them.....

That's probably true for most of us on here but we are not the averages players / buyers. I contend the average buyer ( league player ) probably has one player and maybe a breaker and that's it. Ido also contend they buy that stick(s) and that's it - they will probably have it for years and years. Not upgrading every time they see another cool looking cue with the newest " technological advance "?
 
That's probably true for most of us on here but we are not the averages players / buyers. I contend the average buyer ( league player ) probably has one player and maybe a breaker and that's it. Ido also contend they buy that stick(s) and that's it - they will probably have it for years and years. Not upgrading every time they see another cool looking cue with the newest " technological advance "?

Absolutely true.
 
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