Where Does Extreme Power Come From

3kushn

3kushn

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I'm not talking about break shots. I'm talking about (excuse me for saying) more controlled power shots.

Why don't I have the power I see others have with seemingly minor effort.

In other words why can't I get 11 rails on a 3 Cushion table? OK that's more like a break shot. How about 9 rails with control and the appearance of ..... no big deal.

Maybe this question will work. How do I get that big THUD on the first and second rail.
 
3kushn said:
I'm not talking about break shots. I'm talking about (excuse me for saying) more controlled power shots.

Why don't I have the power I see others have with seemingly minor effort.

In other words why can't I get 11 rails on a 3 Cushion table? OK that's more like a break shot. How about 9 rails with control and the appearance of ..... no big deal.

Maybe this question will work. How do I get that big THUD on the first and second rail.
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You have to get the stick moving faster. For the 9-cushion shot specifically, you also need to hit the cue ball almost without spin so no energy is wasted.

Beyond that, you need to practice. I've practiced the 9-cushion shot (or 11 on new cloth) for probably five or six hours in total. Being able to hit with accurate tip placement at high speed is useful on other shots as well.

One variation to try when you are practicing is to grip in a different place than usual.
 
Bob Jewett said:
You have to get the stick moving faster. For the 9-cushion shot specifically, you also need to hit the cue ball almost without spin so no energy is wasted.

Beyond that, you need to practice. I've practiced the 9-cushion shot (or 11 on new cloth) for probably five or six hours in total. Being able to hit with accurate tip placement at high speed is useful on other shots as well.

One variation to try when you are practicing is to grip in a different place than usual.
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Why is the answer always - Well if you want that then you have to WORK FOR IT.

Isn't there anything that comes without WORK?
 
3kushn said:
Why is the answer always - Well if you want that then you have to WORK FOR IT.

Isn't there anything that comes without WORK?
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Yes. Inheritance.

I guess it's all relative. Some players really enjoy the work. Look out for them because they're usually the ones who become great players.
 
7 rails, 9, 11, these are a little involved. In general, more power comes with less effort by releasing the cue stick. Lighter grip, good acceleration. I can tell you also that if you use a longer bridge but on the final stroke don't backstroke far enough--so that the ferrule comes to near the bridge hand--you will be using leverage and jabbing at the ball coming forward rather than smooth acceleration.

Take some regular shots. Do you tend to make full backstrokes or abbreviated backstrokes? Once you have a full-length backstroke, you will find you need less muscle than before to get great roll and distance with the cue ball. Indeed, a jerky stroke from an abbreviated backstroke can cause the cue ball to jump or less noticeably, micro-jump, ruining the shot aim, too.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
7 rails, 9, 11, these are a little involved. In general, more power comes with less effort by releasing the cue stick. Lighter grip, good acceleration. I can tell you also that if you use a longer bridge but on the final stroke don't backstroke far enough--so that the ferrule comes to near the bridge hand--you will be using leverage and jabbing at the ball coming forward rather than smooth acceleration.

Take some regular shots. Do you tend to make full backstrokes or abbreviated backstrokes? Once you have a full-length backstroke, you will find you need less muscle than before to get great roll and distance with the cue ball. Indeed, a jerky stroke from an abbreviated backstroke can cause the cue ball to jump or less noticeably, micro-jump, ruining the shot aim, too.
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I think if I pulled back any further I'd have the problem at 1:15 of this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQYNvEPi9-s
 
Bob Jewett said:
You have to get the stick moving faster. For the 9-cushion shot specifically, you also need to hit the cue ball almost without spin so no energy is wasted.

Beyond that, you need to practice. I've practiced the 9-cushion shot (or 11 on new cloth) for probably five or six hours in total. Being able to hit with accurate tip placement at high speed is useful on other shots as well.

One variation to try when you are practicing is to grip in a different place than usual.
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So its simply a matter of hitting the cue ball over and over then observing the results?
I accept that the cue need more speed. Is there no other component or training that would help get there.

I watched Jamison hit a ball really fast and seemingly without much arm movement. That being said, I may have missed something. It wasn't my intention to watch his stroke. That was an afterthought so to speak. I was watching the whole shot and seeing the power I thought wow, where did it come from with such a short stroke.
 
3kushn said:
So its simply a matter of hitting the cue ball over and over then observing the results?
I accept that the cue need more speed. Is there no other component or training that would help get there.

I watched Jamison hit a ball really fast and seemingly without much arm movement. That being said, I may have missed something. It wasn't my intention to watch his stroke. That was an afterthought so to speak. I was watching the whole shot and seeing the power I thought wow, where did it come from with such a short stroke.
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I understand where you're coming from. It's instinctive, when you need more "power" in a shot, to try and put more force into it. That throws the whole thing off tho...speed is the answer, not "power".

I don't have the answer (and am not an instructor, just here trying to learn, and share my experience) and this plagues me as well. Getting that speed without trying to put your "power" into it, thus maintaining the proper stroke...I'll keep reading and following this, hopefully something will click.

Good luck. To you and to me, as well :p
 
To me, cue stick speed is determined by the close coordination of the fingers and the twitching speed of the lower bicep (the muscle that closes the arm).

A tremendous amount of cue stuck speed can be developed but timing is the key. The action of the fingers will send a message to the lower bicep when it should twitch.

Power is not required. The cue already weighs in at about 3 times the weight of the QB. :)

John
 
I don't think Hopkins has a jerky stroke at all, though. I'm thinking more of amateurs who have a 14" bridge and stroke back four inches then lunge forward. You know what I mean?
 
One Pocket John said:
To me, cue stick speed is determined by the close coordination of the fingers and the twitching speed of the lower bicep (the muscle that closes the arm).

A tremendous amount of cue stuck speed can be developed but timing is the key. The action of the fingers will send a message to the lower bicep when it should twitch.

Power is not required. The cue already weighs in at about 3 times the weight of the QB. :)

John
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Well said John :)

the A to Z is a smooth transition from back to forward-- the *speed* or "acceleration* i try to explain and teach it in this way: the length of your final backstroke is finally what will define and create your *stroke speed*. Means, the farther you pull back, the more you re able to accelerate due the length of your forward stroke.
In my opinion an easy way to explain- how to generate *speed*- and also to control your "stroke speed".

Have a smooth stroke everyone.

best from overseas,

Ingo
 
Start lifting heavy weights for few reps. 3-5

It will help to build the fast twitch muscle fibers.

Just like some boxers have faster hands have greater numbers of these fast twitch in their arms.

Whatever you got, you got to develop.

3kushn said:
So its simply a matter of hitting the cue ball over and over then observing the results?
I accept that the cue need more speed. Is there no other component or training that would help get there.

I watched Jamison hit a ball really fast and seemingly without much arm movement. That being said, I may have missed something. It wasn't my intention to watch his stroke. That was an afterthought so to speak. I was watching the whole shot and seeing the power I thought wow, where did it come from with such a short stroke.
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