Just to contrast Hard Times from Rack N' Cue, Hard Times tournament side, (the right side tables separated by a partition) has tight tables. All tables at hard times are 4X8, this is both true and misleading. You have two different surface dimensions of 4X8. On the left side of hard times, the regular gold crowns are the big surface 4X8's on the right the smaller ones. So there are no true full length tight tables at Hard Times. Also you have to take the atmosphere into consideration, if your take the game super serious, and don't mind people lurking (literally) around the corner waiting to see if they want to ask you to play for money, nobody really talks, laughs, and generally nobody seems to be having a good time on the tournament side of the hall at hard times. If thats what your looking for, a hardcore pool experience, than hard times is for you. Rack n Cue on the other hand is quite different, its a younger asain crowd, some can play, most arent too good. Its a much lighter atmostphere, and I actually like playing on full 4X8 tables with deep shelf tight pockets (almost like diamond, but not quite that deep). Nobody is there trying to make a game and arguing about the spot over your shoulder for 20 mins while you are trying to shoot. However, on any given night at hard times, you can see recognizable pros, some world class as well. So choice is yours, oh and Hard Times is alcohol free.