Where to play in LA

[Fatboy]

I started to write a post saying the only 2 guys I ducked that i could think of in the past few years were Shane Van Boening when he came in with you late on a Friday and you wanted to put him in some big action and Beau Runnigan who you talked about me playing and I backed down. I knew neither one of them would be talking to Lou. Then I had the thought that you were the common denominator and I wondered if you had said something. I decided not to write the post because I thought you might have and I was going to ask you about it.

I have to be the worst lock artist in the world, gambling even with Efren, Parica, Santos, Billy Palmer, Raphael Martinez, Ike Runnels, Richard Grenier,
Ricky from St Louis, Sergio from Chicago, a few of the top Vegas players, Tommy Tokoph, Gus Briseno. I guess to escape my lock artist designation I will have to start offering them weight (right).

I don't bet high often with $100 a game being my comfort zone. But I have played sets for $1,000 to 3,000 in recent years giving up a lot of weight.

I had a game lined up with your friend Cotton (we have played partner games against each other and matched up once) for $2000 with me giving him a little weight but he had a family crisis and couldn't make it.

I did offer to play you $1000 a game giving you a little more weight than Cotton gives you I believe it was 12-5 but you told me because we are friends you would only want to bet $20 which I respected.

Too bad you gave Lou ammunition now I can't say everything he was saying was imaginary but I have said a lot of stupid things in my life so I am not one to cast stones.

Wayne

I didnt give Lou ammo, it's not like that at all. I stepped up and was honest about what i did say, i didnt have too. I aint a weasel, I read your posts and manned up. My intentions were not to piss you off or Lou. Sorry if I did.


Wayne, I told Lou your a solid player, You are-especially there in HOB, I dont think anyone would argue that point. I dont even know Lou other than on here. I am honest and told you that.

on another note i wasnt staking SVB, we were looking for a scotch game, I decided to pull up because Shane was firing balls 100mph into the pockets, as you know that dont work in that room so we left-we were not really seriously looking for action anyways, after I saw him firing balls I said "lets go", Im not a stake horse-ever. And he wouldnt listen to me, so that was a wrap. I wouldnt play with any partner that wont listen to me about trap tables. Shane bobbled 30 balls, i watched it, he was playing alone, the tables were wet. I told him in the car before, those pockets aint made for that kind of play. I dont care how much better he plays than me, i was right.


I like you and respect you, thats why I still really dont want to bet $1000/game with you. I would like to play Shades that high or higher. however after the other day i give up on him. Let him grind $20's off his regular customers. maybe we will have to play higher, i need to be in more than $200-$300 action to get ready for a bigger game I have lined up elsewhere. I cant step up form $300/game 1P onto $5K/game-i learned that the hard way. Its possible to win LOTS of $$$ off me, if someone is willing to gamble with me. Its possible to rob me for $20 bills all day every day.


I hope that clears things up if you like we can meet and talk in private, but to be clear, i didnt give anyone any ammo or knock. I didnt duck on what i said either. 99% of the guys wouldnt man up like I did either.

respectfully
eric

 

[wayne]

I didnt give Lou ammo, it's not like that at all. I stepped up and was honest about what i did say, i didnt have too. I aint a weasel, I read your posts and manned up. My intentions were not to piss you off or Lou. Sorry if I did.


Wayne, I told Lou your a solid player, You are-especially there in HOB, I dont think anyone would argue that point. I dont even know Lou other than on here.

respectfully
eric

Lou had 2 exact quotes from anonymous or imaginary people, one guy said "Wayne is the biggest lock artist in LA. Don't play him". The other said "Wayne will not give up a fair game". I assumed from what you said earlier that he got one of these quotes from you.

If neither one of those quotes were made by you then he is not referring to you as a source of the false accusations.

You are right that very few would man up. I know Lou never will. Wayne

 

[yobagua]

I can only relate my experience. It tells me Lou is a good guy.

Wayne, someone must have had the short end with you. I'll Guarantee that at least one person told Lou that your a lock artist. It may be an Exaggeration, it may be totally wrong but someone told Lou that.

If you play Lou I'm sure you'll have a good match.

Jim

Jim some people made some negative comments about you after your game with Rich.
I don't give that any weight.. What I say is from me. Im not going to repeat what they say and make it gospel
That is evil..

 

[Fatboy]

Lou had 2 exact quotes from anonymous or imaginary people, one guy said "Wayne is the biggest lock artist in LA. Don't play him". The other said "Wayne will not give up a fair game". I assumed from what you said earlier that he got one of these quotes from you.

If neither one of those quotes were made by you then he is not referring to you as a source of the false accusations.

You are right that very few would man up. I know Lou never will. Wayne

I mite have said one of those two, I don't recall. If I did I sincerely apologies , sometimes keyboards and the spoken word are different. If I did, I take full responsibility. I honestly don't recall, precisely what I said or the context is was said in.

I fessed up to being wrong, to what degree I'm wrong I don't know, but I can sleep tonight knowing I didn't weasel out of anything.

I really hope this don't harm our f
Fiend ship permantly, if your mad at me, I expect that, and deserve what ever happens. I just couldn't watch this thread continue on its course, thinking something I said was part of the problem.

My reputation is important and sometimes I screw up, I ain't scared to admit when I was wrong, as memory serves me I was. If I wasn't, then so be it, I still won't duck what I say.

Sorry to everybody if I was a catalist here, that's poor form. And I'm very very embarrassed

 

[yobagua]

I mite have said one of those two, I don't recall. If I did I sincerely apologies , sometimes keyboards and the spoken word are different. If I did, I take full responsibility. I honestly don't recall, precisely what I said or the context is was said in.

I fessed up to being wrong, to what degree I'm wrong I don't know, but I can sleep tonight knowing I didn't weasel out of anything.

I really hope this don't harm our f
Fiend ship permantly, if your mad at me, I expect that, and deserve what ever happens. I just couldn't watch this thread continue on its course, thinking something I said was part of the problem.

My reputation is important and sometimes I screw up, I ain't scared to admit when I was wrong, as memory serves me I was. If I wasn't, then so be it, I still won't duck what I say.

Sorry to everybody if I was a catalist here, that's poor form. And I'm very very embarrassed

Eric.
Everyone makes mistakes. Its what we learn from them. It takes a developed human being to realize their ways and try to construct a better person. I thank you for that. It just hurts me to see you being used in a specious way to prove a falsehood. We both know that Wayne is one of the fairest warriors in this game. I know you already knew that. But tish happens.
Sleep good tonite.
Keone

 

[lfigueroa]

I mite have said one of those two, I don't recall. If I did I sincerely apologies , sometimes keyboards and the spoken word are different. If I did, I take full responsibility. I honestly don't recall, precisely what I said or the context is was said in.

I fessed up to being wrong, to what degree I'm wrong I don't know, but I can sleep tonight knowing I didn't weasel out of anything.

I really hope this don't harm our f
Fiend ship permantly, if your mad at me, I expect that, and deserve what ever happens. I just couldn't watch this thread continue on its course, thinking something I said was part of the problem.

My reputation is important and sometimes I screw up, I ain't scared to admit when I was wrong, as memory serves me I was. If I wasn't, then so be it, I still won't duck what I say.

Sorry to everybody if I was a catalist here, that's poor form. And I'm very very embarrassed

Eric, you’ve left me speechless, and that is not an easy thing to do. In almost 20 years on the pool forums I can think of very few guys, perhaps none, that would step up and own that, knowing I would never have given them up in the first place. Thank you, Brother.

Lou Figueroa

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Eric, you’ve left me speechless, and that is not an easy thing to do. In almost 20 years on the pool forums I can think of very few guys, perhaps none, that would step up and own that, knowing I would never have given them up in the first place. Thank you, Brother.

Lou Figueroa

Lou, stated with all due respect, perhaps there's some wisdom in Fatboy's post you could impart, since it touched you. Eric, IMO, whom I know a tad, is an eccentric visionary, oft misunderstood, outspoken, up and coming typer , accomplished man with a shielded sharing heart.

SM HOB's tag team voice isn't going to relent on you Lou (post F'g 365? Really???). You poked the bears in a sensitive spot, they're going to fight their turf. Can't blame 'em.

I honestly don't get how it got this far other than egos. Yet I truly believe, you and I on a table? Or Wayne or Demon, or whomever holds similar passion, I'd relish the day while regaling each's stories of our pool experiences, which inevitably leads into why we are who we are. Permanent bonds us pool players. Genuinely.

That said, all I want is the orange crutch and a smile. lol

 

[Fatboy]

i always own up, i hope i didnt hurt anyones feelings to the point they hate me, but i'll be damned if i say something that aint right. I will take the heat. thats how I have always been, when I'm wrong i got the stones to admit it. in pool, biz, girls, life, etc.

the moment of pain is the moment of growth-most of the time. the rest of the time it clears the conscience.

On a un related topic i stepped on a food prosser blade 3-4 days ago and got 9(i thought it was 12-until i recounted the next day) stitches right in the middle of my foot, its a very deep cut -ouch over 1cm deep. So I aint walking around very much its still bleeding even with the stiches. I might be in the pool room later this week, Monday. I cant do much now. just keep my foot elevated.


Again i'm sorry Lou/Wayne and to everyone else to have been a part of the reason for the beef, I should have kept my mouth shut, as I didnt have a horse in the race. I broke my own rule.

best
eric

 

[wayne]

Eric, you’ve left me speechless, and that is not an easy thing to do. In almost 20 years on the pool forums I can think of very few guys, perhaps none, that would step up and own that, knowing I would never have given them up in the first place. Thank you, Brother.

Lou Figueroa

Don't be gloating too much Lou because you got bad info does not relieve you having done a lot of unwarranted knocking. Maybe you could learn a little humbleness yourself. (Not)
Wayne

 

[stevelomako]

i always own up, i hope i didnt hurt anyones feelings to the point they hate me, but i'll be damned if i say something that aint right. I will take the heat. thats how I have always been, when I'm wrong i got the stones to admit it. in pool, biz, girls, life, etc.

the moment of pain is the moment of growth-most of the time. the rest of the time it clears the conscience.

On a un related topic i stepped on a food prosser blade 3-4 days ago and got 9(i thought it was 12-until i recounted the next day) stitches right in the middle of my foot, its a very deep cut -ouch over 1cm deep. So I aint walking around very much its still bleeding even with the stiches. I might be in the pool room later this week, Monday. I cant do much now. just keep my foot elevated.


Again i'm sorry Lou/Wayne and to everyone else to have been a part of the reason for the beef, I should have kept my mouth shut, as I didnt have a horse in the race. I broke my own rule.

best
eric

Dude, when you're grinding coffee beans you DON'T have to step on them like grapes for wine.

Jeez, I aint around and...:speechless:

 

[Fatboy]

Dude, when you're grinding coffee beans you DON'T have to step on them like grapes for wine.

Jeez, I aint around and...:speechless:

told ya I'km getting old and sloppy


I cant step on grapes i cut my foot the otherday in a fight with my food prossor, i have 9 stiches in my foot, hurts like hell, i cant walk so good at the moment(last few days) brutal

 

[demonrho]

Don't be gloating too much Lou because you got bad info does not relieve you having done a lot of unwarranted knocking. Maybe you could learn a little humbleness yourself. (Not)
Wayne

Wayne, you got to remember that Lou just came up with that phony smear against you in order to distract from the fact that he was in S.M. and ducked you and then later claimed no one would play him. He doesn't give a fig if the smear against you is true or not. He's was just trying to cover up that first lie he was caught out in.

 

[stevelomako]

told ya I'km getting old and sloppy


I cant step on grapes i cut my foot the otherday in a fight with my food prossor, i have 9 stiches in my foot, hurts like hell, i cant walk so good at the moment(last few days) brutal

Hey I heard something happened to your foot, like you sliced it or something

Put your feet up and have a nice cup of java outside

relax and enjoy

 

[lfigueroa]

Don't be gloating too much Lou because you got bad info does not relieve you having done a lot of unwarranted knocking. Maybe you could learn a little humbleness yourself. (Not)
Wayne

I'm not gloating at all. I was giving Eric his props for manning up.

Apparently that's not something I have to worry about doing in your case.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou, stated with all due respect, perhaps there's some wisdom in Fatboy's post you could impart, since it touched you. Eric, IMO, whom I know a tad, is an eccentric visionary, oft misunderstood, outspoken, up and coming typer , accomplished man with a shielded sharing heart.

SM HOB's tag team voice isn't going to relent on you Lou (post F'g 365? Really???). You poked the bears in a sensitive spot, they're going to fight their turf. Can't blame 'em.

I honestly don't get how it got this far other than egos. Yet I truly believe, you and I on a table? Or Wayne or Demon, or whomever holds similar passion, I'd relish the day while regaling each's stories of our pool experiences, which inevitably leads into why we are who we are. Permanent bonds us pool players. Genuinely.

That said, all I want is the orange crutch and a smile. lol

yobagua went through a review of my posts in this thread, one by one, and couldn't come up with anything, so I poked no one.

Jim came on and specifically pointed out that he was the one that said they were scared in SM, not me.

Wayne begged for a single example of someone saying he wouldn't give up a fair game, and got one.

Other than that, just another fine day on AZ. And I don't know how I'd give you the orange crush at 1pocket

Lou Figueroa

 

[yobagua]

I'm not gloating at all. I was giving Eric his props for manning up.

Apparently that's not something I have to worry about doing in your case.

Lou Figueroa

For someone who threatened legal action when asked to step outside, I wouldn't challenge anyone's manhood.

 

[yobagua]

Thanks to my fellow forum members

Speaking of the law. In our country we’ve developed a sophisticated way to deal with contradictions.
We lay out what we think are the facts and we let our peers judge us. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose but we swallow the pill of judgement no matter if it is bitter or sweet.
You’ve seen all the issues laid out. You judge. I have a trust that with all the nut cases that inhabit the forums the good outweighs them by a ton. I was taught in the final analysis Right triumphs might in the long run. Good over evil.
What ever the case may be we all have to lie down with ourselves when the night comes. We all have to live with ourselves. We look in the mirror and decide wether we change for good or remain in denial and rot in our own arrogance.
You judge.

 

[wayne]

[QUOTE



Wayne begged for a single example of someone saying he wouldn't give up a fair game, and got one.

Lou Figueroa[/QUOTE]

You are still lying and twisting things. I never begged for a single example of someone saying I wouldn't give up a fair game. There are knockers everywhere. I specifically asked for a single example of when I played a lock game or even asked for one.

Just because an alleged friend who says he respects me went behind my back and gave you blatantly false information does nothing to relieve you of your persistent knocking and lies. At least he has a little conscience and owned up to his betrayal. The fact that many people that know me and have played me have said it was untrue does nothing to change your attacks.

If you are insinuating that I played a lock game with Fatboy or even asked for one then you had better talk to Fatboy because it isn't true. I have never played Fatboy. The only offer I ever made to him was to play him with more weight than he got from Cotton which I believe was 12-5.


You are a gifted knocker and love to debate. I will give you credit for being a master bater. You love to bate people and twists things to show your mastery. Once again you have twisted things and dragged someone else into your lies.

I am now assigning you the honor of # 1 Master Bater.

Wayne

 

[imissedthe9]

Hahhahahha Lou the master bater!!!

That should be his new user name.

 

[Fatboy]

Speaking of the law. In our country we’ve developed a sophisticated way to deal with contradictions.
We lay out what we think are the facts and we let our peers judge us. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose but we swallow the pill of judgement no matter if it is bitter or sweet.
You’ve seen all the issues laid out. You judge. I have a trust that with all the nut cases that inhabit the forums the good outweighs them by a ton. I was taught in the final analysis Right triumphs might in the long run. Good over evil.
What ever the case may be we all have to lie down with ourselves when the night comes. We all have to live with ourselves. We look in the mirror and decide wether we change for good or remain in denial and rot in our own arrogance.
You judge.

At the end of the day, or in the morning the man i see in the mirror is all i really have control over and am accountable for-more so than anything. And what I see matters to me(sometimes i'm lazy about shaving). I havent been perfect in my life and done things I aint proud of, however I have made a effort to offset the wrongs with rights. thats the best I can do. If I dont do my best then i'm the loser.....