Right, I can't possibly imagine pool players arguing over this sort of thing!
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Right, I can't possibly imagine pool players arguing over this sort of thing!
Oh yeah, welcome to the internet.
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Next time you come let us know. They're some here that can trade "Rack" stories.
Beautifully written summary FIG. Is FIG the endearing nickname granmama gave you when you were young and innocent. (It sure beats most of the nicknames people have given you on here.) Good luck in hoping it catches on.
This could be called the "Delusional Version of Events by one of my multiple personalities.
I must admit you do write very well with perfect spelling, punctuation, and sentence structure. A beautiful work of fiction by a gifted writer.
Wayne
Funny stuff Spider.
Heres some dialogue you might like to use in your next one.
Incardone: (at mike) testing ....testing....1...2...3..
Him: Hi Billy!
Incardone: Oh hi...uhhhh....hi....ummm....guy.
Him: How you doing....
Incardone: Uh good...good...real good. Uh Pat can you hear me???
Him: You know Billy I just want you to know. Im available...
Incardone: Huh...available?....yeh...cmon Danny get in here.
Him: You know,, for commentary. Im available to do commentary..
Incardone: Commentary?? Uh ohh no we're good...we're good.
Him: Yeah...because you know I played.....
Incardone: Yes Pat ...Yeah I can hear you... Uh no no we're good (chuckle chuckle)
Thanks but we're real good...thank you....
Him Ok because you know as you can tell by these pictures........
Danny D: Sorry Im late.
Incardone: Youre late and don't start singing on this one ok?
Oh no no pal... we're good...we're real good.
Him: Oh Ok maybe next time.
Incardone: Sure sure pal.
Danny D: Who was that?
Incardone: I don't know.
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This is a reply to the TARGUY. These reason pool is having problems is that it is one of the only sports, games if you will, that is subordinated to liqueur sales. Tennis players and golfers are not subject to selling brewski. On top of that even with this reality most big brewers won't even sponsor professional pool.
How many times have you been in a game and they crank up the music to incite people to imbibe copious amounts distilled spirits. When rooms went upscale it got worse. I've played in action with people disco dancing next to my game. Let Tiger Woods try that. As far as internecine conflicts are concerned these actually boost ratings. Just think John McEnroe in tennis. He makes Lou look like a choirboy.
After all the build up we ought to have a grudge match with Lou and Wayne for the cash. Have them make up a game for the big money. POV pool can stream it. I've got a big heart so I will throw in a nominal amount of cash.
How many times have you been in a game and they crank up the music to incite people to imbibe copious amounts distilled spirits. When rooms went upscale it got worse. I've played in action with people disco dancing next to my game. Let Tiger Woods try that. As far as internecine conflicts are concerned these actually boost ratings. Just think John McEnroe in tennis. He makes Lou look like a choirboy.
After all the build up we ought to have a grudge match with Lou and Wayne for the cash. Have them make up a game for the big money. POV pool can stream it. I've got a big heart so I will throw in a nominal amount of cash.
I would never call someone an "Anonymous weenie" but I don't give much credence to a 1st time poster and someone who has just recently become a member of THE major forum of the game. It would be like asking a virgin solutions to erectile dysfunction.
now thats funny
on a seperate note, my foot hurts worse now than it has since I cut it. I was making hummus not grinding coffee beans, LOL. I was lucky and didnt cut anything important-tendons etc. tis just a flesh wound, but wow it hurts. I tried to play last night at a friends biz he has a barbox, that lasted 5 or 6 shots.
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eric
Thank you, we always prided ourselves on being a class act, especially when we go out of our way to educate blowhards like your beloved Figster in the error of their ways.
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No Robin, but it could've had your buddy did like you and manned up. i.e. admit he was human. Then everything would have been copacetic. But nooooo. He decided to act like a Super Villain and attack the one guy Brooklyn Butch calls Clark Kent (Wayne) because of his mild gentle manner in life but pulls out his cape when challenged.
Then he kept going on like the Penguin and quacked calling people "nit" and "weasel".
Blowing steam is one thing. But character assassination is another.
Seriously. Would a guy like J Schmidt want to go outside with someone for minor infractions.
Why would people take the time to do animated humiliating parodies? Even a silly list like the Dumbest dumb F's in pool has a ring of truth to it. Not to mention all the members who have been offended by the guy.
I understand the frustration of not reaching goals that you have for yourself. I understand rejection by your peers. I understand the feeling when your qualities aren't recognized. I understand defeat. But don't take it out on your fellow man. Look inward and take responsibility for yourself
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Man, I gotta get a life!...can't believe I read this whole thread.
But this poker advice was maybe worth the read....I'll try to follow this.
When I was a kid, a sharp guy named Russ Maddox told me to never
bet more than a sixth of your bankroll at one-pocket or snooker....
...and never more than a tenth at nine-ball.
I saved me from phoning home for money a few times.
The situation with Lou reminded me of a scene from the Rack in Detroit...1978
A semi-regular brought in a friend who was a gin player.
The gin expert was asking a lot of people to play for $100 a game.
...no takers
Paul Bruesloff was negotiating for 1-pocket on a snooker table.....
....his usual....two ahead for $10,000 (and he'd probably take side action for $20,000 more).
Some wiseguy tells the gin player to ask Paul...so the guy does so.
Paul bent down and looked him in the eye, and said "Is that all at once?...
...or four out of seven."
The gin player says to his friend in a loud voice "Shiiiit, I thought you
told me people bet something here."
The whole room was laughing..
His friend whispered in his ear....and the gin player stands up...
....and says "Sir, I'm sorry, I had no idea who I was talking to."
I think Lou may have stumbled into a situation quite similar.....
...but give him a break, y'all, he's not a bad guy.
"Sir, I'm sorry, I had no idea who I was talking to."
Had he said that it would have been all a minor episode.
As to the question of Bankroll Management. Im astounded that in pool there is no practical approach to one of the basic tenets of Poker. Every beginning poker player is told to study the concept. How to deal with the downswings of and upswings of the game. Or variance.
For a pro building a BR it is of utmost importance. No good poker player plays outside the margins of his BR. Doing that will bust you quickly. Tournaments are a good way because of the risk/reward factor. Playing tournaments giving you 10 to 20 X the buy in if you end up in the top 2 is profitable. You have to be good enough to win though.
So cash games are a quick way to pile it up. But you must find weaker players (fish) to exploit. Somehow in pool this is looked down upon. But if you look at past history of road players, like Rempe and Diliberto. They were always looking for "suckers". Finding players you can exploit is crucial and the art of doing that is seldom taught. In Poker youre constantly reminded to do this.
This discussion could go on and on. But you often find very talented and skilled pro pool players out of cash. I think it is because no one ever taught them that BR building skills, simple math, and game theory is just as important as developing your stroke.
Had he said that it would have been all a minor episode.
As to the question of Bankroll Management. Im astounded that in pool there is no practical approach to one of the basic tenets of Poker. Every beginning poker player is told to study the concept. How to deal with the downswings of and upswings of the game. Or variance.
For a pro building a BR it is of utmost importance. No good poker player plays outside the margins of his BR. Doing that will bust you quickly. Tournaments are a good way because of the risk/reward factor. Playing tournaments giving you 10 to 20 X the buy in if you end up in the top 2 is profitable. You have to be good enough to win though.
So cash games are a quick way to pile it up. But you must find weaker players (fish) to exploit. Somehow in pool this is looked down upon. But if you look at past history of road players, like Rempe and Diliberto. They were always looking for "suckers". Finding players you can exploit is crucial and the art of doing that is seldom taught. In Poker youre constantly reminded to do this.
This discussion could go on and on. But you often find very talented and skilled pro pool players out of cash. I think it is because no one ever taught them that BR building skills, simple math, and game theory is just as important as developing your stroke.
Pokers BR management systems are usually based upon the variance in the games. That's why most have different percentage for tourney, than they do for cash.
Pool makes it more difficult because you have an ability to rid yourself of variance quite easily. In pool all you pretty much need is the same management that comes with the rest of your life.
Cards is just so tough because you can sit at the best/easiest table, and play everything right and still lose quite often. It just doesn't happen like that in pool nearly as often. BR management for that reason isn't as important.
Yes you do bring up some good points. Of course Pool cant be equated to poker but there are hundreds of blogs, articles, studies of Bankroll Management in poker and virtually none on pool. For the pro player there needs more appreciation for this aspect of the game.
If you say that "all you pretty much need is the same management that comes with the rest of your life", then you have to take note of what that "life" is.
For example. In America the average % of saving of income is about less that 3%. In Asia it is almost tripled where on the average it is %10 to 20%. That is why more families live together longer and share incomes. Of course you lose independence and freedom this way but how free can you be when youre broke
I think the Filipino pros have a step up on this. They share space, cook their own meals, and split in tournament and cash winnings. They save a bigger percentage of their income on the road.
So with an understanding of BR management your "life" might have to change as well.
Im not an expert of these things but I have studied it a bit. I play with a poker BR consciously. I keep it to 100 buy ins and if I go below that I lower my bets. I have one for live poker and one for online. Im always trying to improve my ideas of management as well as my game. I find the discussion fascinating and also has rewarded me in terms of stability.
Transfering some of these ideas from poker has helped me in pool as well.
BR management in princeable is just there to "keep you in the game."
People have put a lot of different systems out there, but truthfully its pretty simple. That is, if you understand it's princeable.
The most important aspect is being aware of your ability. If a person actually were honest, or know their true abilities then it would be very easy to find out exactly how to manage. You could in theory play with the exact percentage that you can expect to have a Return on investment.
So if I'm only able to be profitable one cent in 2% of my tourney's than I should only enter tourneys with a max of 2% of my bankroll. This would allow me to stay in the game/make a penny. If a person has a positive return then they can actually work backwards. Decide how much profit they want to have, and figure which percent their willing to buy in for.
Of course no one really knows their exact ROI into the future, and those who might have a good idea often can't be honest about their own ability.
That is the only reason why the systems are good. They just protect themselves from themself.
Pool is certainly different. Obviously you can't put your entire roll up for grabs or you'd eventually bust. The difference though is in pool you can easily prevent the swings by only matching up as a huge fav.
Its much easier to predict the swings in pool. If you matchup easier opposition you can bet a large percentage of your bankroll. If you win 70% of your matchups you could easily play with 20%-25% of your bankroll and be doing great.
So I guess what I'm saying you still have to manage, but its much more similar to everyday life for most. It's just like managing your bills. In pool you can just risk much larger portions and it be perfectly exceptable.
Off topic, do you guys have a regular 1 hole tourney at SM? If so, what day/time/info?
"Off topic, do you guys have a regular 1 hole tourney at SM? If so, what day/time/info?
Some great thoughts CANTEVERWIN. Thanks.
We used to have a monthly tournament but guys that got knocked out hated to wait around.
So they just stopped entering since guys coming in from work wanted to just play and get out before 10 to be home with their families.
Hard Times I know has one the first Saturday of the month.
Some great thoughts CANTEVERWIN. Thanks.
We used to have a monthly tournament but guys that got knocked out hated to wait around.
So they just stopped entering since guys coming in from work wanted to just play and get out before 10 to be home with their families.
Hard Times I know has one the first Saturday of the month.
I play backgammon also.
A good player told me that 23 points is the minimum issue, head-on...
...and 100 points in a 4-handed chouette.
Personally, I like 100 points, head-on.
I broke a guy at backgammon 8 times...and then I wouldn't play him anymore.
The most I'd won was 15 points...and he always owed the last game.
I told him to put up 100 points with the house if he ever wanted to
play again.
Not giving any more action in this spot sounds kinda nitty....
...but backgammon is a volatile game and he was making me be very
conservative with the cube.
Has anybody noticed that Rod in atl is a troublemaker?
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Man, I gotta get a life!...can't believe I read this whole thread.
But this poker advice was maybe worth the read....I'll try to follow this.
When I was a kid, a sharp guy named Russ Maddox told me to never
bet more than a sixth of your bankroll at one-pocket or snooker....
...and never more than a tenth at nine-ball.
I saved me from phoning home for money a few times.
The situation with Lou reminded me of a scene from the Rack in Detroit...1978
A semi-regular brought in a friend who was a gin player.
The gin expert was asking a lot of people to play for $100 a game.
...no takers
Paul Bruesloff was negotiating for 1-pocket on a snooker table.....
....his usual....two ahead for $10,000 (and he'd probably take side action for $20,000 more).
Some wiseguy tells the gin player to ask Paul...so the guy does so.
Paul bent down and looked him in the eye, and said "Is that all at once?...
...or four out of seven."
The gin player says to his friend in a loud voice "Shiiiit, I thought you
told me people bet something here."
The whole room was laughing..
His friend whispered in his ear....and the gin player stands up...
....and says "Sir, I'm sorry, I had no idea who I was talking to."
I think Lou may have stumbled into a situation quite similar.....
...but give him a break, y'all, he's not a bad guy.
OMG, you must be from the Midwest. I knew Russ Maddox very well, a jam up card hustler and a pretty decent pool player. He was George Rood's partner when they bought High Street Billiards in Springfield, Ohio after Mosconi made his famous run there.
Russ was very well known around Southwestern Ohio. Last I heard about him, he was the entertainment director of a Senior citizen center in Florida. But I think he passed away a few years back.
P.S. Jack Perkins gave me the best advice a long time ago about money management. He said, "How you manage your money is not as important as how you manage yourself." Bottom line, no money management system will work if you don't have good self control. :wink: