Which cuemakers can make knifed-in 8 pt cues

[breakshot]

I should probably mention that unless you hope to find one on the secondary...you're going to be hard-pressed to get on the list for cues from B Szamboti and D Searing. I think I was told that Barry is about 10 years out, and I believe had discontinued taking orders as a result. I am betting that Dennis is getting similarly overwhelmed, and had been told that his list was closed. As to the other makers, I believe most all that you have listed are well over 5 years out on their lists as well...I am betting with some, even more.

However, one could venture a guess that if you are waving around 10 G's or better, one may be compelled to take the bait.

Lisa

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-I would fully expect to have to wait a long time, I just want a cue that is more involved than the standard -easy 4 point cue, that is what is usually made - because it is easier, faster and cheaper. I'm willing to pay for their additional efforts.

 

[cueaddicts]

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-I have seen a couple in here, some better than others, But If they can all make them, then why don't the big name "masters" make them? I cant figure this out? I feel like if I'm going to drop 10k+ then I should be able to get a cue that comes from one of the "elite".
-I would like to get one from a cuemaker like Searing, Szamboti, Schick, Tad, Ernie, Stroud...etc

Get your checkbook out and write a large enough check and I'm sure most of the "big guns" with get you what you want. :smile: Welll, maybe except the last 3, maybe 4. Don't think any of them are doing structural points anymore. But if the check is big enough, I guess anything's possible....

btw....here's an old Petersen with 8 prongs cut in.

 

[breakshot]

I have a version of that snakewood Samsasra, the first veneer is a lighter wood (maple or holly ?) but because it is a lighter less dense wood, the points at the apex are not as crisp or sharp as I would want, also the apex of the points don't all line up very well. I bought it because I liked the look of the snakewood and ebony.

 

[cueaddicts]

here's a Jim White, with recuts done that way.

 

[breakshot]

Get your checkbook out and write a large enough check and I'm sure most of the "big guns" with get you what you want. :smile: Welll, maybe except the last 3, maybe 4. Don't think any of them are doing structural points anymore. But if the check is big enough, I guess anything's possible....

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Why would they not be doing "structural points"(good phrase) anymore, I believe it adds integrity and strength to the cue, and if done right- adds to the playing ability of the cue.
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not worried about the wait or checkbook- I just want GREAT cues. not just art.

 

[YaktyYak]

I will say one thing about this thread, it has given me alot of good ideas about a cue I may want to have made in the future. I will come back to this thread for ideas and inspiration for creative ideas. I have also lacked personally in the creative department. I always know the look in my head, but never know how to get there.

-Kyle

 

[cueaddicts]

Darren Hill out of McHenry, IL also builds a real nice overlapping 8-prong, all cut in structural and deeeep. Great cuemaker.

 

[cueaddicts]

Why would they not be doing "structural points"(good phrase) anymore, I believe it adds integrity and strength to the cue, and if done right- adds to the playing ability of the cue.

I agree with you 100%. To me, a true splice definitely adds to the hit, all other things equal !!

 

[breakshot]

Apparently you are not sure what you are looking for or at, because on any given day there are a half dozen different QUALITY cue makers work shown right here on this forum that have demonstrated the skills necessary to build "8 point knifed in points".The "Big Name Masters" build what their customers order they are not mass producing the for stock items in a pool room somewhere. The "Big Name Masters" are not Meucci or Viking Or Predator or any of the other production cue companies the are Custom Builders,

Please read the first line below my signature..

-Grumpy,
I know exactly what I'm looking at, I've been doing this many years- I have over 80 cues in my collection, valued by many to be worth well over 7 figures.
-I'm not new to this.
-The big name masters do build what the customer wants, but they also have alot of influence over their customers, and they should always be pushing the boundries, better engineering, better built, better playing cues. Because they are the ones that are leading the way for the cue industry.
-I don't want to just pick a name out of a hat and try to get them to build a world class cue- I want to talk with one of the greats that is already working on high level cues- if they are constantly building average stuff, then they ar not pushing the boundries.

 

[cueaddicts]

It's just a measly little 6-pointer, but here's a picture of another Jim White cue with Burt Spain prongs (1-of-1). Same idea though on the structural splice though.

 

[2rgrbn]

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-I have seen a couple in here, some better than others, But If they can all make them, then why don't the big name "masters" make them? I cant figure this out? I feel like if I'm going to drop 10k+ then I should be able to get a cue that comes from one of the "elite".
-I would like to get one from a cuemaker like Searing, Szamboti, Schick, Tad, Ernie, Stroud...etc

As I look through here I see examples from many makers that are pretty big name. Maybe I am misunderstanding what a knifed in point is my assumption is it is the same as a spliced point this being the case I think that it is safe to say that almost every if not all "masters" make them. And for 10K plus you can get a cue from any cuemaker in the world past or present. Additionally Craig Peterson is one of the elite and every cuemaker you listed makes or made spliced points and they all have cues on the market that 10k will buy.

 

[breakshot]

That Darren Hill is a nice looking cue. classic, having the dark points inlaid into the curly maple makes it easy to see how sharp the points are and it doesn't allow much room for error. nice

 

[breakshot]

As I look through here I see examples from many makers that are pretty big name. Maybe I am misunderstanding what a knifed in point is my assumption is it is the same as a spliced point this being the case I think that it is safe to say that almost every if not all "masters" make them. And for 10K plus you can get a cue from any cuemaker in the world past or present.

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-For example here is a cue from a very prominant maker that is just inlays, I see this all the time, I could find hundreds of this type of construction.

 

[Cornerman]

Can I assume that "knifed" means cut by hand?

No.

Fred

 

[2rgrbn]

Get your checkbook out and write a large enough check and I'm sure most of the "big guns" with get you what you want. :smile: Welll, maybe except the last 3, maybe 4. Don't think any of them are doing structural points anymore. But if the check is big enough, I guess anything's possible....

btw....here's an old Petersen with 8 prongs cut in.

Wow, Nice Cue

 

[cueaddicts]

Mottey, 8 prongs, all tall....cut over each other.

 

[cueaddicts]

and an older Jim Buss....

 

[breakshot]

As I look through here I see examples from many makers that are pretty big name. Maybe I am misunderstanding what a knifed in point is my assumption is it is the same as a spliced point this being the case I think that it is safe to say that almost every if not all "masters" make them. And for 10K plus you can get a cue from any cuemaker in the world past or present. Additionally Craig Peterson is one of the elite and every cuemaker you listed makes or made spliced points and they all have cues on the market that 10k will buy.

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Here is an example of what I'm talking about, there are several ways to assemble the cue to get the similar effect( deep "v" / knifed -in / full splice )
-hopefully somebody else can give the written definitions of these different construction methods- The problem is that there is no standardized accepted definitions of these terms, they mean different things to different people.

 

[2rgrbn]

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-For example here is a cue from a very prominant maker that is just inlays, I see this all the time, I could find hundreds of this type of construction.

There are prominent makers that make inlaid cues it provides many more options in regards to the art in a cue, Thomas Wayne is a good example in the use of a 4th axis on a mill and has made some unbelievable and valuable cues but you can still get a spliced cue from him. Many Bushkas and Szams have spliced points with cut diamonds this is a combination of the two construction methods. remember these guys are building cues to sell so they build them to their own personal standards and tailor them to what the market wants, Butterfly splice, Full Splice, Short Splice, Inlaid and Plain each one has a market.

 

[Cornerman]

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Hi Steve,
I agree with you BB's are deep knifed and I think they are great. I'm just trying to find anybody out there that is doing the same thing with their points- There has to be a couple other great cue makers out there that are selling their cues for 10k+ that are working on some cues that are a little more challenging to make.

If you're talking about V-groove points, then as several people have already said, there are entirely too many top cuemakers who can do this to start listing down names. I'm thinking you're a bit confused.

Fred