Which cuemakers can make knifed-in 8 pt cues

[2rgrbn]

Why not get in contact with Ed Young and see if David Kersenbrock is still working with him, tell them you have 10K+ for a cue and tell them exactly what you want. I really don't know the status of DPK these days but by most peoples standards he is a master and from what I've seen and heard of his work if it can be done with a piece of wood he can do it.

 

[Fatboy]

I think someone on this site has one:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=57784

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-This was exactly what I was talking about- you are the first to have info about one of these greats building a 8pointer- Thanks, and I've already contacted Dennis about it.:smile:
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Would you happen to have or know where I could find photos of any of Barry's?
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In regard to the others- what you said about others on this site might know- that is exactly why I started this thread, in hopes of finding some info on some of the other Masters.
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-Thanks

I have one 8pt Gus and a few 8pt Barrys, What would you like me to ask Barry specifically??? PM me so I see your question(s) and I will find out.

 

[Big-Tattoo]

I have one 8pt Gus and a few 8pt Barrys, What would you like me to ask Barry specifically??? PM me so I see your question(s) and I will find out.[/QUOTE]

I hate you Eric
give me one Barry :sorry: :grin-square:
Ralf

 

[Fatboy]

I have one 8pt Gus and a few 8pt Barrys, What would you like me to ask Barry specifically??? PM me so I see your question(s) and I will find out.

I hate you Eric
give me one Barry :sorry: :grin-square:
Ralf[/QUOTE]


hi Ralf, I love the fact you hate me

i hope you are good, maybe i come to Germany for Christmas!!!

my friend from Munchen is in Vegas tomarrow we make a party!!!

if I come i will let you know, also in January I am starting my big tattoo on my back-i have a good idea and a suprise for cue people like you and me!!

cheers

eric

 

[Big-Tattoo]

I hate you Eric
give me one Barry :sorry: :grin-square:
Ralf

hi Ralf, I love the fact you hate me

i hope you are good, maybe i come to Germany for Christmas!!!

my friend from Munchen is in Vegas tomarrow we make a party!!!

if I come i will let you know, also in January I am starting my big tattoo on my back-i have a good idea and a suprise for cue people like you and me!!

cheers

eric[/QUOTE]

Back Tattoo from left to right in BIG Letters SZAMBOTI:thumbup:
Ralf:grin-square:

 

[Craig Fales]

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The Crisp cue does not have the points overlap, so how deep are the cuts that hold the points. The Carmelli has a bunch of the veneers glued to the square before it was glued to the cue-I like the added complexity that comes with the overlapping points( making the veneers end equally). But the Weston cue with all the re-cuts adds even morecomplexity to building the cue.

The cue I showed does not have veneers or recuts in the smaller points- your correct, but I do believe that recutting ivoryis not done very often.

-Do you have any 8pt cues that you have done that you could show us?
-Overall I think I'm realizing that these 8pt cues are very hard to come by, as shown by the very few examples I've seen here.

I'm thinking that you're thinking that the points are somehow cut deeper than 90*. That's the jist I get when you say "deep" knifed points. Am I correct?

 

[Smoknum]

How about Bob Dzuricky and a 6 pointer? Here is a picture of the base of a spliced forearm before assembly with 6 long even points rather than hi's and low's.

Kelly

Sorry a little late, but I just got around to looking at this thread, that is a cue he made for me. Here is the finished cue

http://www.dzcues.com/images/chuckweb.jpg

Chuck

 

[qbilder]

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No, that is not what I'm refering to- nowhere in this thread do I discuss the forearm and handle assembly, I am just only talking about how the points are put in the cue. The big difference being inlaid vs (deep "V"/full splice/ "v"groove/structural points/ knifed/ etc.) you will see all through this thread that I refer to that type of construction many different ways, depending on what terms the person that im talking to is using .
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I agree with you about the old schooldesign executed by many builders, I was just asking if any of the great builders make any of the 8point cues. Cornerman pointed me in a direction showing a Searing 8pointer and I have already contacted Dennis about that.
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Over all I don't see why you are trying to blast me about my questions

I think you are confused. I'm not blasting your questions. I'm answering them, but you are arguing with everything like you know for certain how cues are built. You bash the best cuemakers in world saying that they only build 4-pointers because they are easy & cheap. You question if 8-pointers are too hard for them, maybe they can't do them, as if they are not as skilled as all the middle teir builders whom you seen pics of their 8-pointers. How can you insult cuemakers openly, then get sensative when one tells you exactly how things are? You have contradicted yourself over & over & over, and have made some tremendously & blatantly inaccurate claims. I'm not trying to be an ass, just pointing out that you are all over the place & no certain direction.

The question was about "knifed in" points, which you obviously was questioning in the first place. I just explained it to you very clearly. That's where the "A" joint came into play. That's the difference between "knifed in" points & normal v-groove points. "Knifed in" means the points were made AFTER the "A" joint was assembled, where typically the points are made BEFORE the "A" joint is assembled. How is that not answering a question you very clearly asked? You wanted terminology clarification & there it is. What's the problem? For a guy who claims to have a 7 figure collection, these are things you should have known. Again, not trying to be an ass. I'm just seeing a lot of inconsistencies with your posts. It begins wanting to know who can build 8-pointers because you haven't seen many. Then once you see that it's obviously common, your attention changes to overlapping points. Then it's elite builders, or "masters" as you say. Then it comes to terminology. Finally you see a picture of a Searing 8-pointer with NO overlaps & you apparently found the missing link. What the heck is going on? Am I the only one seeing the wish/wash motions here? Granted you have made for some ok conversation, but i'm thinking you may want to do some in-depth reserach before buying a cue. Lucky for you, Dennis builds a great cue & anything you get will be good. Just hope he's patient enough to go through the motions.

Once more, i'm not trying to be an ass, i'm simply saying what i'm thinking. Take it however you want, but it's not intended to be insulting. Maybe it's me that's confused & the only one that has no clue what this conversation is really about. If so, i'm sorry, and please for my sanity explain to exactly & very clearly what this thread is about. I have a better understanding of women than I do of this thread.

 

[ftgokie]

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I could be wrong but I believe every Josey cue that I've seen has inlaid points

I could be wrong also....I think his points are inlayed as well...unless he has started doing knifed in points in past yr or so.....anyways....Keith makes a really nice cue

 

[2rgrbn]

I think you are confused. I'm not blasting your questions. I'm answering them, but you are arguing with everything like you know for certain how cues are built. You bash the best cuemakers in world saying that they only build 4-pointers because they are easy & cheap. You question if 8-pointers are too hard for them, maybe they can't do them, as if they are not as skilled as all the middle teir builders whom you seen pics of their 8-pointers. How can you insult cuemakers openly, then get sensative when one tells you exactly how things are? You have contradicted yourself over & over & over, and have made some tremendously & blatantly inaccurate claims. I'm not trying to be an ass, just pointing out that you are all over the place & no certain direction.

The question was about "knifed in" points, which you obviously was questioning in the first place. I just explained it to you very clearly. That's where the "A" joint came into play. That's the difference between "knifed in" points & normal v-groove points. "Knifed in" means the points were made AFTER the "A" joint was assembled, where typically the points are made BEFORE the "A" joint is assembled. How is that not answering a question you very clearly asked? You wanted terminology clarification & there it is. What's the problem? For a guy who claims to have a 7 figure collection, these are things you should have known. Again, not trying to be an ass. I'm just seeing a lot of inconsistencies with your posts. It begins wanting to know who can build 8-pointers because you haven't seen many. Then once you see that it's obviously common, your attention changes to overlapping points. Then it's elite builders, or "masters" as you say. Then it comes to terminology. Finally you see a picture of a Searing 8-pointer with NO overlaps & you apparently found the missing link. What the heck is going on? Am I the only one seeing the wish/wash motions here? Granted you have made for some ok conversation, but i'm thinking you may want to do some in-depth reserach before buying a cue. Lucky for you, Dennis builds a great cue & anything you get will be good. Just hope he's patient enough to go through the motions.

Once more, i'm not trying to be an ass, i'm simply saying what i'm thinking. Take it however you want, but it's not intended to be insulting. Maybe it's me that's confused & the only one that has no clue what this conversation is really about. If so, i'm sorry, and please for my sanity explain to exactly & very clearly what this thread is about. I have a better understanding of women than I do of this thread.

Well said, I think we are all really trying to help in a meaningful way, but no one seems to be able to submit an answer that agrees with what you are thinking, so I notice everyone trying to help keeps asking for clarification in an effort to get you an answer you are going to have to accept the fact that spliced cues are common and most mid to upper level cue makers can and do produce them. Additionally designing points, cutting pockets and pieces that match well enough to not show glue lines and still be able to be tapped in to place while maintaining a small radius at tips and corners is not as easy as you might think. I prefer a spliced cue as well but how many cue makers can put a snake skeleton twisting around a forearm the length of the forearm (Very Few) How many can build a spliced cue (Most) I am not trying to get down on you I am trying to say that the construction of a cue and what is the best is a matter of opinion. I feel that a Southwest is one of the best playing and best made cues ever, some people agree some people completely disagree. You know what you want and what is of value to you so go to a maker that you feel is a master and ask him if he can build what you want.

 

[ftgokie]

I think you are confused. I'm not blasting your questions. I'm answering them, but you are arguing with everything like you know for certain how cues are built. You bash the best cuemakers in world saying that they only build 4-pointers because they are easy & cheap. You question if 8-pointers are too hard for them, maybe they can't do them, as if they are not as skilled as all the middle teir builders whom you seen pics of their 8-pointers. How can you insult cuemakers openly, then get sensative when one tells you exactly how things are? You have contradicted yourself over & over & over, and have made some tremendously & blatantly inaccurate claims. I'm not trying to be an ass, just pointing out that you are all over the place & no certain direction.

The question was about "knifed in" points, which you obviously was questioning in the first place. I just explained it to you very clearly. That's where the "A" joint came into play. That's the difference between "knifed in" points & normal v-groove points. "Knifed in" means the points were made AFTER the "A" joint was assembled, where typically the points are made BEFORE the "A" joint is assembled. How is that not answering a question you very clearly asked? You wanted terminology clarification & there it is. What's the problem? For a guy who claims to have a 7 figure collection, these are things you should have known. Again, not trying to be an ass. I'm just seeing a lot of inconsistencies with your posts. It begins wanting to know who can build 8-pointers because you haven't seen many. Then once you see that it's obviously common, your attention changes to overlapping points. Then it's elite builders, or "masters" as you say. Then it comes to terminology. Finally you see a picture of a Searing 8-pointer with NO overlaps & you apparently found the missing link. What the heck is going on? Am I the only one seeing the wish/wash motions here? Granted you have made for some ok conversation, but i'm thinking you may want to do some in-depth reserach before buying a cue. Lucky for you, Dennis builds a great cue & anything you get will be good. Just hope he's patient enough to go through the motions.

Once more, i'm not trying to be an ass, i'm simply saying what i'm thinking. Take it however you want, but it's not intended to be insulting. Maybe it's me that's confused & the only one that has no clue what this conversation is really about. If so, i'm sorry, and please for my sanity explain to exactly & very clearly what this thread is about. I have a better understanding of women than I do of this thread.

Dang qbuilder, do you even know what YOUR talking about:thumbup: .. I agree with you....i have read all his post and i was thinking that I was lost... Heck, im still wondering what he is asking...hopefully we will find out exactly what he is asking exactly. I am kindof curious to know myself.

 

[Balabushka_Man]

Here's my Josswest Playing Cue.
Pics of the Ivory on Ebony.
The points are extremely sharp
especially in person-I know Bill
was one of the first to use CNC
and would just be a guess that
these are.

 

[ftgokie]

Nice looking JW for sure....I love my OLD JW..its a great player:thumbup:

 

[2rgrbn]

Not to hijack the thread but I just bought an old spliced JW this morning so I'm a little excited about it

 

[ftgokie]

Not to hijack the thread but I just bought an old spliced JW this morning so I'm a little excited about it

Your such a thread hijacker:thumbup: Let us know how that JW plays...and of course pics...........Rangers lead the Way!

 

[Jaden]

I knew exactly what you were saying.

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I think you mis understood what I was trying to convey.
What I am refering to , is when you have a ebony forearm. If you use a CNC and just cut pockets for inlaid points, The actual inlay can be cut with a razor sharp point, but the pocket that it fits into can be cut oversized and the rounded tip can be filled with black epoxy. The result will be points that look razor sharp.
-This can easily be done with any forearm wood that is dark.

Sorry for the confusion

I think that it's easier to put in true vpgroove points than to do the CNC route. It might take less time to do thhe CNC thing, but it is more difficult and takes more effort to make it look right.

Jaden

 

[qbilder]

I think that it's easier to put in true vpgroove points than to do the CNC route. It might take less time to do thhe CNC thing, but it is more difficult and takes more effort to make it look right.

Jaden

I agree. I know one builder who can do cnc points, then exacto-knife in the tip to fit the sharp tipped inlay perfectly, and once done looks identical to v-groove sharp points. no matter the base wood. It's not easy making inlays sharp, not nearly as easy as making v-groove points sharp. V-groove points are sharp by nature, so anybody can do it. Sharp AND clean inlays take very precise hand skill.

 

[Jaden]

yep....

I agree. I know one builder who can do cnc points, then exacto-knife in the tip to fit the sharp tipped inlay perfectly, and once done looks identical to v-groove sharp points. no matter the base wood. It's not easy making inlays sharp, not nearly as easy as making v-groove points sharp. V-groove points are sharp by nature, so anybody can do it. Sharp AND clean inlays take very precise hand skill.

At first when he said knifed in points I thought this is what he was referring to. I thought he was actually wanting CNC points with knife sharp points.

It's funny to me when cuebuilders go to the trouble of using v-groove points and then core the butt to have a solid piece of wood through the center. Why not just CNC the points and exacto knife the razor points? The answer is I think that it is what they know and it's easier to v-groove. That and they think it provides a better hit to core them. I personally don't think that it does.

I have a 74' eight point four veneer on each point, Frank Paradise that the points go all the way through the wood where they joint at the back of the forearm and I'm probably going to start using it as my player again because nothing I've hit with comes close to the balance and feel that it has.

Jaden