Which cuemakers can make knifed-in 8 pt cues

[breakshot]

Mottey, 8 prongs, all tall....cut over each other.

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-The two that you have shown with the ebony forearm, are they structural points, I can't easily see how they are built, I think it's very common to see inlaid points into ebony and mistake them for Deep "v" structural points.
- I can really appreciate the cues that have the points cut in the birds eye maple- those are easy to see that they are truly structural points.:grin:
- Do you have any Searings or Boti's or Buska's or Schick's...etc -in the 8point configuration- if not - do you know why they have never built any, Why is Black Boar the only one building these 8 pointers--- are they too hard to build? do they cost too much to build?--I don't get it!

 

[Cornerman]

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Here is an example of what I'm talking about, there are several ways to assemble the cue to get the similar effect( deep "v" / knifed -in / full splice )
-hopefully somebody else can give the written definitions of these different construction methods- The problem is that there is no standardized accepted definitions of these terms, they mean different things to different people.

I don't think they mean different things to different people. I simply think someone has misled you. First point of misleading is by using the term "knifed in." Stop using it, and things can get clearer.

Fred

 

[cueaddicts]

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-The two that you have shown with the ebony forearm, are they structural points,

Those are absolutely....they are cut in on a mill just like the other Black Boar pictures you've referenced.

 

[Cornerman]

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-The two that you have shown with the ebony forearm, are they structural points, I can't easily see how they are built, I think it's very common to see inlaid points into ebony and mistake them for Deep "v" structural points. (

Okay, you're officially confused. There are over 200 cuemakers that can make an 8-point deep V structural pointed cue for you. Maybe more.

Fred

 

[cueaddicts]

Black Boar the only one building these 8 pointers--- are they too hard to build? do they cost too much to build?--I don't get it!

Don't think Tony is the only one. But he's probably the only one calling them "knifed in"....whatever that means.

 

[breakshot]

If you're talking about V-groove points, then as several people have already said, there are entirely too many top cuemakers who can do this to start listing down names. I'm thinking you're a bit confused.

Fred

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Does Searing build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?
Does B. Szamboti build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?
Does Schick build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?
Does Stroud build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?

Ive seen some of 6point v groove cues
Ive seen some of 8point inlaid cues
But what Ive seen most of is the 4point cues

 

[Cornerman]

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Does Searing build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?

I think someone on this site has one:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=57784

Does B. Szamboti build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?

His father made a few, I believe. And Barry reportedly has made a few as well.

Does Schick build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?
Does Stroud build a 8 point V- groove points- I have never seen one?

I don't know about these guys, but if they did, guys on this site would know.

Fred

 

[qbilder]

I think what BB means by "knifed in", is that the forearm & handle are assembled first, then the point grooves cut & glued up. It's different than the typical way of doing the points before the forearm & handle is joined, but that ends the differences. It's just a fancy way of saying the cue has spliced points. The words are the difference, that's all. The end result is a cue with 8-points. There's nothing special about it, nothing mythical, just fancy words. Fact is that it's an elemental, old school design executed by hundreds of builders past & present.

 

[Cornerman]

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I could be wrong but I believe every Josey cue that I've seen has inlaid points

I'm not sure why you could be wrong... if every Josey cue you've seen had inlaid points, then every Josey cue you've seen has inlaid points.

That being said, Keith re-introduced V-spliced cues into his arsenal a couple of years ago. They're some of the pretties looking V-splice cues available.

He did spliced cue when he first started, but switched over to the inlay floaters which gained him a huge following.

Fred <~~~ read it somewhere

 

[breakshot]

I think someone on this site has one:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=57784

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-This was exactly what I was talking about- you are the first to have info about one of these greats building a 8pointer- Thanks, and I've already contacted Dennis about it.:smile:
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Would you happen to have or know where I could find photos of any of Barry's?
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In regard to the others- what you said about others on this site might know- that is exactly why I started this thread, in hopes of finding some info on some of the other Masters.
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-Thanks

 

[breakshot]

I'm not sure why you could be wrong... if every Josey cue you've seen had inlaid points, then every Josey cue you've seen has inlaid points.

That being said, Keith re-introduced V-spliced cues into his arsenal a couple of years ago. They're some of the pretties looking V-splice cues available.

He did spliced cue when he first started, but switched over to the inlay floaters which gained him a huge following.

Fred <~~~ read it somewhere

The reason I said that I might be wrong is that I did not go over every one of his cues that I walked by. Everything that I did look at was inlaid, so I just assumed (wrongly) that inlays were all that he did. Sorry

 

[breakshot]

I think what BB means by "knifed in", is that the forearm & handle are assembled first, then the point grooves cut & glued up. It's different than the typical way of doing the points before the forearm & handle is joined, but that ends the differences. It's just a fancy way of saying the cue has spliced points. The words are the difference, that's all. The end result is a cue with 8-points. There's nothing special about it, nothing mythical, just fancy words. Fact is that it's an elemental, old school design executed by hundreds of builders past & present.

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No, that is not what I'm refering to- nowhere in this thread do I discuss the forearm and handle assembly, I am just only talking about how the points are put in the cue. The big difference being inlaid vs (deep "V"/full splice/ "v"groove/structural points/ knifed/ etc.) you will see all through this thread that I refer to that type of construction many different ways, depending on what terms the person that im talking to is using .
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I agree with you about the old schooldesign executed by many builders, I was just asking if any of the great builders make any of the 8point cues. Cornerman pointed me in a direction showing a Searing 8pointer and I have already contacted Dennis about that.
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Over all I don't see why you are trying to blast me about my questions

 

[cueaddicts]

I agree with you about the old schooldesign executed by many builders, I was just asking if any of the great builders make any of the 8point cues. Cornerman pointed me in a direction showing a Searing 8pointer and I have already contacted Dennis about that.

Here are some images of Szambotis ( http://users.myexcel.com/HughTiernan/Szamboti/ ). Barry has done some big 8-point cues, but I've not seen any that have been fully veneered. If he were to, here's what it would look it below.....image is of one of few that his dad did.

FYI...some of the other master cuemakers that have been around many years used to do structural points but at some point in time elected to go toward everything being inlaid, not structural....Tad, Josswest, Ginacue, and some others.

 

[cueaddicts]

Andy Gilbert is another guy that's very capable of making a nice overlapping 8-point cue.....although he's not done many this way. But the ones we've had have were all spectacular !!

 

[butterflycues]

points

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-Are those inlaid points or are they (deep "v"/ knifed / spliced- call it whatever)

-I am always curious when the forearm is ebony or a dark wood?

- If they are are deep "v" and they are solid ivory- I'm impressed, controlling ivory so that is does not move is a very difficult thing to do.

Those are mitered v-groove, knifed points. Hope I covered all the names. Pat Diveney

 

[Cornerman]

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In regard to the others- what you said about others on this site might know- that is exactly why I started this thread, in hopes of finding some info on some of the other Masters.
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-Thanks

I guess the term "Masters" is another point of misunderstanding. For example, Andy Gilbert and Mike Bender have done spliced 8 pters.. Are they on your Masters List?


If "Masters" are who you are looking for, then Cornerstone Billiards, HighEndCues, IbuyCues, .... these are at least three usernames that would be able to tell you. But, just to be clear, 8-pointer spliced cues are not rare or hard to find today.

Fred

 

[breakshot]

I agree with you about the old schooldesign executed by many builders, I was just asking if any of the great builders make any of the 8point cues. Cornerman pointed me in a direction showing a Searing 8pointer and I have already contacted Dennis about that.

Here are some images of Szambotis ( http://users.myexcel.com/HughTiernan/Szamboti/ ). Barry has done some big 8-point cues, but I've not seen any that have been fully veneered. If he were to, here's what it would look it below.....image is of one of few that his dad did.

FYI...some of the other master cuemakers that have been around many years used to do structural points but at some point in time elected to go toward everything being inlaid, not structural....Tad, Josswest, Ginacue, and some others.

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:yikes: :yikes: Now that cue has to be one of the greatest pieces of history, when that was made it had to be one of the most complex cues ever made. thank you for sharing- do you own that cue?:yikes:

 

[tikkler]

why

I guess the term "Masters" is another point of misunderstanding. For example, Andy Gilbert and Mike Bender have done spliced 8 pters.. Are they on your Masters List?


If "Masters" are who you are looking for, then Cornerstone Billiards, HighEndCues, IbuyCues, .... these are at least three usernames that would be able to tell you. But, just to be clear, 8-pointer spliced cues are not rare or hard to find today.

Fred

Fred....why would you make the assumption that some dealers are the ones who can tell us who the masters are. A dealer, like any dealer of anything is going to try and steer you towards what they want you to buy.

Wrong place to go looking for the masters
Steve

 

[ibuycues]

Oops...Slight Correction

Fred....why would you make the assumption that some dealers are the ones who can tell us who the masters are. A dealer, like any dealer of anything is going to try and steer you towards what they want you to buy.

Wrong place to go looking for the masters
Steve

Steve,

Just to be clear and accurate, ibuycues is not a dealer. Unfortunately, he has bought several hundred cues over the years and hasn`t been able to sell but one or two. I know him well.

Will :embarrassed2:

 

[tikkler]

ooops

Steve,

Just to be clear and accurate, ibuycues is not a dealer. Unfortunately, he has bought several hundred cues over the years and hasn`t been able to sell but one or two. I know him well.

Will :embarrassed2:

Will, very sorry. Didnt mean to add you to the list, because you are clearly not or ever have been a dealer. On the contrary you are someone I would ask.."who the masters are" you would give a legitimate answer.
Thanks
Steve