Of the choices you limited the voting to, I'd choose C. J. Wiley hands down.
Which Instructor ? ??
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Another vote for Scott Lee. I hired Scott for a full day about 10 years ago when I was first getting back into the game and needed to get over a plateau. He was great and it was well worth it, I learned a lot that I still think about. Unfortunately I took another hiatus and when I came back a couple years ago, my diminished vision was a challenge and I've struggled again with consistency. I'd like to do another refresher with him if we can hook up again at a time convenient for us both.
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No...
I said others MAY be good.
That is different than saying that others ARE good.
I also qualified in my first post that what I was saying was based on what I have seen posted here on AZB.
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Man, when you hold a grudge, you really hold a grudge. Sometimes it's just nice to be the bigger man once in awhile, but at least we know what to expect from you. Of course, these "insights" that you have not seen from others, is that from your "years" of on-line billiards expertiseWell Played.
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I would go with Tor Lowry who does the Zero X.
I have DVDs from many of those listed and Tor is the only one that doesn't have some gimick or short cut.
Just doing the first simple drill that he recommends of shooting thousands of balls into a pocket has really helped me. He has no short cuts, just practice and repetition.
I'm an awesome teacher, and I use shortcuts.
What I mean is you would not need a lesson from me, and then six months of drills, and then, maybe, improvement. My students play better, even after one lesson intensive. I like Tor's stuff, too. He is a good communicator.I would personally use Mr. Shuffet. .
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My man Randy G has helped me out with some good video of my stroke along with some work re tooling my poor fundamentals. One of the biggest things I picked up was being able to tell when something seemed off in my stroke as well as the knowledge to re examine and fix it. Good stuff for sure.
Ehh, we'll go with "are" good for the record, since you don't have any actual knowledge other than a few shit fights from AZB.
No...
WE will NOT.
As you are NOT allowed nor authorized to put words into my mouth that I did NOT say & change what I DID say & MY opinion.
I have way more than a few disagreements on which to base my opinions as I have read much of what some of the instructors post here when I have not been involved at all. I also have received more than a few PMs regarding a couple of instructors.
The OP asked a question & I gave him MY take on the matter & stand by what I said & I will say it again.
Of the instructors listed & including Scott Lee, who was left off of the list, I would go with Fran Crimi & CJ Wiley because I have seen insights from them that I have not seen from the others.
Others may be good, but I have not seen the types of insights that I have seen from CJ Wiley & Fran Crimi.
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As far as straight instructor, Scott Lee taught me stuff I use to this day. (He probably knows a lot more today than he knew during my lessons 10 years ago too and Scott is very into the basics that build good players).
If you're pretty good, I also recommend spending time with a pro player. If you can already get shape and pocket most shots, then they can show you things that simplify getting out, running balls, and playing safeties. This is what you need to pressure proof your game. These are "playing lessons" as opposed to mechanics and basics, taught from experience in the fire of competition. For example, getting a private lesson from Dennis Orcullo was the best experience of my pool playing life.
I talked to Lee Brett and watched him play in competition on a tight table. I would like to take a lesson from him because his mechanics and style are so completely different from mine. There is something to his game that I find very interesting. Also, he has that snooker player safety game I am jealous of.
Also Bob Jewett. I would bet that he knows more about the science of the game than any top pro and he plays at a high level too.
I do not recommend clinics involving multiple players. Pool is too varied and requires highly personalized instruction. The 3 or 4 clinics I have attended were basically worthless to me.
If you're pretty good, I also recommend spending time with a pro player. If you can already get shape and pocket most shots, then they can show you things that simplify getting out, running balls, and playing safeties. This is what you need to pressure proof your game. These are "playing lessons" as opposed to mechanics and basics, taught from experience in the fire of competition. For example, getting a private lesson from Dennis Orcullo was the best experience of my pool playing life.
I talked to Lee Brett and watched him play in competition on a tight table. I would like to take a lesson from him because his mechanics and style are so completely different from mine. There is something to his game that I find very interesting. Also, he has that snooker player safety game I am jealous of.
Also Bob Jewett. I would bet that he knows more about the science of the game than any top pro and he plays at a high level too.
I do not recommend clinics involving multiple players. Pool is too varied and requires highly personalized instruction. The 3 or 4 clinics I have attended were basically worthless to me.
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Just want to mention, I would not use an instructor who promotes one ideology for mechanics, aiming or anything else. I have come to appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of many different styles of play - there is definitely no one way to do it. It all comes down to shotmaking, cue ball control, and knowledge - no matter how uniquely or individually a player might achieve these.
Proof? How many instructors would have put up with Efren's erratic stroke, Bustamante's pre shot routine, or Keith McCready's sidearm? Change any of this and you lose a champion!
Proof? How many instructors would have put up with Efren's erratic stroke, Bustamante's pre shot routine, or Keith McCready's sidearm? Change any of this and you lose a champion!
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Well that's old school thinking and the main reason we are falling light yrs behind on the international playing field ,, yes there are exceptions to every rule Bubba Watson is a self taught golfer and he's doing pretty well as McCreedy did with his unorthodox stroke
But that bird is losing its wings fast
To compete going into the future will need extensive coaching theirs really no debate on this instructed players will be hands down the best players in the world period
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For every Rembrandt or Michael Angelo, how many very very good artists were there?
How many "instructed players" could have hit that hooking wedge shot that Bubba Watson hit to win the Masters a couple of years ago?
We all have unique bodies & it's only when one makes their own individual variances that one becomes the best that they can be.
I agree with you on average that the Euros etc. are above the average of the U.S., but special players rarely come from the ranks of the instructed without leaving something of the instruction behind & inserting their own variances.
One can be a very very good paint by numbers guy or one might be able to be a Michael Angelo or a Babe Ruth & revolutionize the game.
Just food for thought.
And just who is instructing these players? Pee Wee Reese or Babe Ruth? Can you imaging if Babe Ruth was told that that's not how the game is played, now just pitch & bunt when we tell you to do so? Who knows when one has a diamond in the rough.
Butch Harmon is one of the Best Golf Gurus & he has said, 'I may not know how to build a Championship swing... but if I am not very careful I KNOW I can ruin one.'. That is partly why he is one of the best.
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Well, bully for you. Your opinion holds lot of weight for many folks. Lol
In a way I view pool like one might view martial arts styles - there's more than one way to kick someone's ass. For example, many instructors would want to shorten Shane's stroke, or lengthen Allen Hopkin's. Ever notice Nick Van Den Berg's massive elbow drop? None of these things seem to hurt these players.
Whatever is effective for that player and gets the job done, is right. I agree that instruction is a fast track to improvement, but rigidity in instruction is certainly not. There is no "secret" as some instructors claim to own. We've fallen behind because there is no real pro circuit here.
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With all due respect can yall that wanna argue take it to another thread please. I created this thread for the newer folks that may be considering taking lessons and for myself because I was just curious. If people are anything like myself when I start reading the back and forths I just exit out of it. I'm all for discussion but this does not seem to be that. Thank you.
I would be curios to know have many people posting here have taken lessons from several full time teaching pros.
Mark Wilson wrote in his book that most top players have variations of the fundamentals he explains. He says he feels that if you adhere to some basic approach to fundamentals you will shorten your learning curve. He does not say these top players have flawed games.
I have had several lessons from Randy, Scott, and Jerry Breiseth. I have read Wilson's book. I believe they are about 98% in agreement with what is necessary to build a solid foundation for your game.
Mark Wilson wrote in his book that most top players have variations of the fundamentals he explains. He says he feels that if you adhere to some basic approach to fundamentals you will shorten your learning curve. He does not say these top players have flawed games.
I have had several lessons from Randy, Scott, and Jerry Breiseth. I have read Wilson's book. I believe they are about 98% in agreement with what is necessary to build a solid foundation for your game.