earlthe pearl
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you must call every ball in st pool.no luck shots
Which is better -- run two racks in 14.1 or one rack in 9-ball?
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you must call every ball in st pool.no luck shots
earlthe pearl
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some people really like pool they dont have to bet on everything all the time .I would say you were the nit that thinks gambling is the most important thing. grow up guy and get off your hi horse,you want to gamble you pick 3 things your good at and i will pick 3 things im good at for whatever you want.
Well here we go. The game is on.....randyg
Ditto........
Hard to believe, but apparently there are some people who enjoy playing pool without gambling. Not sure why, but maybe these strange people have families, mortgages and even kids in college. They probably even have jobs, the nits. Let's vote them off the island, er, out of the poolroom. Who needs them?
Maybe all the closing poolrooms? When the last one closes, Chris, turn out the lights please.
People play pool for different reasons. Some like to gamble, others like the competition (leagues, tournaments, etc.) still others like the game itself without distractions, and there is always the social aspect. There's enough space for all types of players in the poolroom.
In fact, I'll argue that a poolroom can't survive without all types of players. The core hardcore players will always be there to support but the social players can turn into hardcore players. etc.
The real reason for this rant is that all of the players in the room deserve respect not just the gamblers.
I don't think there's any comparison. It is MUCH more difficult to run 2 racks of 14.1 than 1 rack of 9 ball. I believe it is easier to run 2 racks of 9 ball than 2 of 14.1, but that one is debatable.
Agreed... and well said.
It's funny to read something like what Chris Bartrum wrote because it is apparent that his world is as big as what he can see with his own two eyes, and no further.
The concept of people playing for competition, fun, league, etc... or just not wanting to gamble doesn't register with him. Coupled with the fact that he condemns those people to being "nits" who don't share his philosophy on gambling. Not everyone chooses to live his lifestyle, but apparently he is too narrow-minded to see the reality that almost all of us live.
As for the OP, I agree with what everyone is saying... running 2 racks in 14.1 is generally more difficult that running a single rack of 9 ball (for multiple reasons). So much of 9 ball is the break and layout. With 14.1, that same issue does not exist.
Ray
Nice Job Ray. One thing I've always thought about 14.1 is this. If you run a few racks of 9 ball and win a match, nobody really cares and you'll have long since pissed the money away by the time anyone asks. However, you run 50 in straight pool ? I don't care who you are, that, my friends, is something that cannot be bought, gambled, given away or stolen. That's yours for your entire life. I could really give a rat's butt about someone running a 3 pack of 9 ball. But you run a 50 at 14.1 ? That's something. 8 ball is for league, 9 ball is for money, one pocket is for woofin and yappin, but 14.1 is all about pride and accomplishment. I'll bet you forget a million things you've done in life, but ask you where you ran your first 30 ?? I'll bet you remember like it was yesterday.
tim
Running a rack of 9-ball is a good feeling, especially when you hit your spots and pay flawless position
I rarely get to play straight pool, but as easy as it seems to be able to hit any ball, getting through that first rack and executing a solid break is a good challenge....
I've run a 4 pack in 9 ball....I have yet to run 30 in straight....granted, I rarely play 14.1, but still, I think that says something about how tough a game it can be...
I rarely get to play straight pool, but as easy as it seems to be able to hit any ball, getting through that first rack and executing a solid break is a good challenge....
I've run a 4 pack in 9 ball....I have yet to run 30 in straight....granted, I rarely play 14.1, but still, I think that says something about how tough a game it can be...
Sorry for continuing to take the thread in the gambling-nit direction - I had already given my opinion on the original question - but comments like Chris Bartrum's gets my dandruff up, you might say. It's hard to let it go by.
Two racks of straight pool is the bigger accomplishment, by a wide margin.
And that's even assuming you begin with a break shot meaning you only need to worry about setting up one break shot between the two racks.
Running 28 balls from any other situation, such as getting to the table in the middle of a rack after a miss by your opponent, becomes that much more difficult since you need to set yourself up for two break shots.
Running two racks off an opponent's safety is even harder still.
And if you want to really compare it directly to running two racks in 9 ball, I'm not sure two racks of 14.1 has ever been run off an opening break in a serious competition.
Also, you are talking about running 28 balls rather than something less than 16 in the case of 9 ball (excludes balls made on the break). The rotation requirement of 9 ball does offset that to some extent for sure, but slop counts in 9 ball. Players that don't play straight pool under-estimate the difficulty that results from having to weave your way through a rack of 15 balls all residing primarily on 1/2 of the table. You also need to consider the fact that in 14.1 most racks are not run with one break shot. Very often several are required, each one carrying a degree of uncertainty that you will have a shot when the balls come to rest. Also, while in 9 ball one must occasionally deal with a cluster or two of 2 or 3 balls in a rack, in straight pool these clusters are more like 5 or 6 balls for which often times none have an available pocket.
I said this before in my very first post: Straight pool was the champions game back in the day when it was the players and not television executives or promoters that decided which game should determine who was the best.
And that's even assuming you begin with a break shot meaning you only need to worry about setting up one break shot between the two racks.
Running 28 balls from any other situation, such as getting to the table in the middle of a rack after a miss by your opponent, becomes that much more difficult since you need to set yourself up for two break shots.
Running two racks off an opponent's safety is even harder still.
And if you want to really compare it directly to running two racks in 9 ball, I'm not sure two racks of 14.1 has ever been run off an opening break in a serious competition.
Also, you are talking about running 28 balls rather than something less than 16 in the case of 9 ball (excludes balls made on the break). The rotation requirement of 9 ball does offset that to some extent for sure, but slop counts in 9 ball. Players that don't play straight pool under-estimate the difficulty that results from having to weave your way through a rack of 15 balls all residing primarily on 1/2 of the table. You also need to consider the fact that in 14.1 most racks are not run with one break shot. Very often several are required, each one carrying a degree of uncertainty that you will have a shot when the balls come to rest. Also, while in 9 ball one must occasionally deal with a cluster or two of 2 or 3 balls in a rack, in straight pool these clusters are more like 5 or 6 balls for which often times none have an available pocket.
I said this before in my very first post: Straight pool was the champions game back in the day when it was the players and not television executives or promoters that decided which game should determine who was the best.
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yea like everyone has said....a run of 28 is tougher then a rack o 9ball.
Maybe Mr. Bartram has started barkin to get people who play 14.1 pissed? and maybe they will jump into action.
Up here in the north east you can get ALL the 14.1 ACTION you want. Hopkins, Maidoff, Barouti, Rempe, Garcia, and thats just the world beaters....there are tons of guys you never heard of who will play for the rent.
on the flip side....coming from Chitown you will find ALMOST "0" bank action up here......just how it is.
G.
Maybe Mr. Bartram has started barkin to get people who play 14.1 pissed? and maybe they will jump into action.
Up here in the north east you can get ALL the 14.1 ACTION you want. Hopkins, Maidoff, Barouti, Rempe, Garcia, and thats just the world beaters....there are tons of guys you never heard of who will play for the rent.
on the flip side....coming from Chitown you will find ALMOST "0" bank action up here......just how it is.
G.
I'm suprised at the replies...in a poll I posted recently I was also suprised that only 2 people said 9 ball was the hardest game for them.
In comparison to other games, 14.1 is very easy for me...I suck at 9 ball!
I'm working on my 9 ball game the most lately...maybe I should try and improve what already feels natural to me.
Well that's my vote Paul, happy shooting.
-Aaron Silva
In comparison to other games, 14.1 is very easy for me...I suck at 9 ball!
I'm working on my 9 ball game the most lately...maybe I should try and improve what already feels natural to me.
Well that's my vote Paul, happy shooting.
-Aaron Silva