Which set of rules did you enjoy more?

No idea what rules were used at the US Open 10 ball, but Zuglan's nine ball rules are the best. I hate the "ten ball last" rule used at the World 10-ball, as I hate any rule that makes the game completely unrecognizable to amateur fans.

On a side note, the "Texas Express 10-ball" rules used this year at the Bigfoot 10-ball at Derby City are part of what made it the best ever Bigfoot.
 
Speaking of the turning stone, did I read that they used plastic racks? I thought they have always used wooden diamond racks there.
 
Positively Ralf said:
Speaking of the turning stone, did I read that they used plastic racks? I thought they have always used wooden diamond racks there.
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Cost of a high quality wooden rack is no longer a reality. Woodworks, a business that I think was outta TX, had Thee best Tounge/groove hand made wooden racks made. If you were ever in Olathe/Shooters, Dan Tull used these and actually got a shipment of second generation ones. For the pro game, the sounds given off when racking with wood are much better than plastic, and if your a room owner/mgr, it's easier to spot idiots because of the sounds wood gives off when balls are ah banging. I purchased the new Diamond Plastic rack for my next table $20, the weight of the rack on the table does not dig in, tho its NOT the rack one would Ever use for 14.1 match play. Too fat
 
Positively Ralf said:
Speaking of the turning stone, did I read that they used plastic racks? I thought they have always used wooden diamond racks there.
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Turning Stone XXVIII (Sept. 2017) was the last time they used wooden racks. It has been the Diamond black plastic racks for the last 4 events.

In commentating this past week, Jennifer Barretta spoke highly of the Diamond plastic racks.
 
I don’t mind slop in 9 and 10 ball, but i think you should be required to call the 9 or 10 unless it’s obvious
 
pt109 said:
You realize those are ‘Johnny come lately’ rules?
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Darn right. When 10-ball was played on the Camel Tour in the late 1990's, it was played with Texas Express rules.

The game of 10-ball is not traditionally a call shot affair, but they've tinkered with it for years and, in my opinion, unnecessarily and to no advantage.
 
Why do some not understand the difference between "call shot" and "call pocket"?

I love call pocket with NO option for opponent to give it back on missed balls. Playing that way takes most of the luck out but, doesn't do away with the 2-way shot. I also believe the money should count at any point on legal hits.

On the other hand, I despise "call shot" games of ANYKIND. Furthermore, I hate the "call shot" where the opponent has option to pass on missed shots even more.

It baffles me how some supposedly seasoned players don't know the differences.
 
jrctherake said:
Why do some not understand the difference between "call shot" and "call pocket"?.
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The reason is because there is no difference in today's pool jargon.

Games in which you can give the table back after a miss are called "call shot/call safe" or sometimes just "call safe" to denote that safeties must be called. Call safe is, by far, the worst form of rotation pool, which is what I think you are trying to say.
 
sjm said:
The reason is because there is no difference in today's pool jargon.

Games in which you can give the table back after a miss are called "call shot/call safe" or sometimes just "call safe" to denote that safeties must be called. Call safe is, by far, the worst form of rotation pool, which is what I think you are trying to say.
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Not what I was saying but, I do agree that "call shot/call safe" sucks.


I've met people that use call shot rule to say:

Hey, you didn't call the 8 ball touching the rail as it went into the pocket.
Or
Hey, you didn't call the 7 ball touching the 9 before going into the pocket.

To me, call shot is NOT where you call every little detail but, call pocket is where you call the pocket and it doesn't matter how it gets there.

I understand at mid-level and above skill levels, we don't normally have to worry about such crap but, it seems every time I play in public rooms with strangers, especially on league nights in certain rooms, I end up hearing bs about it in one form or another.

Matter of fact, I met a fellow in Huntsville Alabama not long ago at goodtimez. We played one game of 8 ball. It sucked a55.

Long story short, we agreed to call pocket on all shots...... I called the 8 ball in the side and it hit the facing and went in. Lol....he argued that it wasn't a legal shot since I didn't call the rail first.

Thats exactly why I like to clear the air when someone ask "wanna play call "x"".

Like I said, its not a problem with most any reasonable person/player but, its always that one a55hat that you just don't expect to be like that.....until they are.
 
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sjm said:
No idea what rules were used at the US Open 10 ball, but Zuglan's nine ball rules are the best. I hate the "ten ball last" rule used at the World 10-ball, as I hate any rule that makes the game completely unrecognizable to amateur fans.

On a side note, the "Texas Express 10-ball" rules used this year at the Bigfoot 10-ball at Derby City are part of what made it the best ever Bigfoot.
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The Bigfoot has been the best tournament for many years Stu, with world class fields being tested with a difficult game on a difficult table. Only the best need apply here.
No one's asking me, but imo Texas Express Ten Ball played just like 9-Ball is the way to go. KISS (keep it simple stupid).
 
pt109 said:
There is skill in playing for multiple outcomes when you’re in a trap.

One of many examples
9-ball....7-8-9 are left...7-ball in middle of end rail...one inch off rail.
..8-ball...one diamond away on same rail
9-ball near the pocket on the other side of the same same rail
Cue-ball...other end of the table...3 inches off the rail..just gotta cut the 7 a bit for long bank.

From that distance, I don’t feel like a favorite to make the bank
..and I don’t feel like a favorite to carom the 8...(.9-ball to far up for carom)
So I jacked up with a hair of low left english
...if I play the bank AND the carom I feel I’m much closer to even money to get out

I made both...and cut the 9-ball in for the match...:happydance:

3-cushion is rife with these situations...so it’s more obvious that calling everything would
take skill OUT of the game.

Tomorrow I’ll take a pic of the situation
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I think it depends on the level of the players. “Bad” players need to get lucky there. “Good” players have the multiway shot option. The world’s best players are good enough to have to be required to call one of those options in a call shot game. Hence the WPA 10 Ball rules being more stringent.

Yes 3-cushion is rife with the multiway shot but likewise call shot 8 and 10 ball have multiway options where the shooter remains the favourite even if he or she doesn’t pocket the called ball. Two (or multi) way is deeper than just trying to pocket one ball or another.
 
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jrctherake said:
I've met people that use call shot rule to say:

Hey, you didn't call the 8 ball touching the rail as it went into the pocket.
Or
Hey, you didn't call the 7 ball touching the 9 before going into the pocket.
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Wow, I've never seen the game played that way in nine/ten ball. Thanks for the education.
 
jrctherake said:
Why do some not understand the difference between "call shot" and "call pocket"?
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Ironic.

The term call shot has been around for decades upon decades upon decades. It has been in books, the rulebooks, write ups, and other publications.

Regardless of what bar players have made things out to be, call shot is calling the object ball and pocket only. Every rule set out there that have call shot as the rule will explicitly say that you do not have to call every combination, bank, or kisses in call shot.

If I have anything to say about the rules, that definition will never change.

What you think is “call shot,” I actually have no idea how you’re differentiating, but you can’t use an already used term. Can you make up a new one? It sounded like you were talking about the difference between games that you can pass back in an accidental safe versus not being able to pass back, but your further post reads as if you’re talking about calling all the details which is a bar pool thing.

Here’s the current wording in just one of any number of rulesets including CSI, BCA, WPA:

CALLING SHOTS
For games of call-shot a player may shoot any ball he chooses, but before he shoots, must designate the called ball and called pocket. He need not indicate any detail such as kisses, caroms, combinations, or cushions (all of which are legal). “Any additionally pocketed ball(s) on a legal stroke is counted in the shooter’s favor.”

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Freddie <~~~~ Rules Committee
 
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i like the world 10 rules AND the TSC 9-ball. Variance between disciplines is good imo.

what i don't like is the opportunity for rack engineering, whether it be by the breaker or by the opponent. ref racking, no checking is the best way. when this is not possible, in the early stages of a tournament for example, i like opponent racking with a template, with warnings for attempted manipulation
 
How did you guys enjoy the break from the box rules and no jumpcues on the turning stone? I forget if break box rules were put in place in the other two events.
 
Positively Ralf said:
How did you guys enjoy the break from the box rules and no jumpcues on the turning stone? I forget if break box rules were put in place in the other two events.
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I like break from the box when the players do the racking, but I'm OK whether or not it's in use. When there is a neutral racker, I really don't think it matters.

While conceding that jump shots require skill, I hate jump cues, which allow players that misplay position to get away with some of their position play errors by going through the air. Similarly, the no jump cues rule at the Derby City Classic is one of the many reasons it is deserving of being called "Classic."
 
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