Which shaft applies the most spin?

[SPINDOKTOR]

I wouldnt look for a shaft for spin, when players Novice-Pro look to low deflection shafts they are thinking consistancy. or at least they should be. If youd ask me Id say it depends on where you want to go with your game, if you have trouble saying consistant with a standard maple shaft, perticularly on side spin shots I think youd find you would be more consistant with a Shaft such as Pred. If your fairly consistant with a standard maple shaft I dont think you'll have that WOW factor some people seem to have.

Using a Pred 314-2 helps me stay consistant because I rarely use BHE using the pivot method, I line up with the side, what the Pred shaft did for me was allow me to not need to compensate so much so everything look's STRAIGHTER IN.... lol

Whitch in turn helps my consistancy and boosts confidence.

As far as generating more spin? A solid maple shaft will generate as much spin, but generating as much at times will require a totaly differnt stroke.

I myself prefere a standard maple shaft, but after extensive practice I can see a place for the Laminated low deflection shafts. the cues that lack action, is likely due to the cue being to stiff. This has been a trend for awhile and is honestly the main cause for my delema with cues. Joss has a good solid hit, with a Joss shaft, and even with a 13.25mm tip will produce alot of spin. the cue is solid but not overly stiff. Naturaly you dont want a springboard nor do you want a super stiff cue. No matter the shaft.

The reason Im getting into this is because even though a great cue maker may have built your cue, he cant shoot your shots, sometimes to adapt a cue and make it truely our own we need adjust it to what we need as a player. This is where reasearch helps when your looking to buy a custom, most cue makers are noted for a perticular hit. and this hit caters to a perticular style. If the hit doesnt match the style you'll either have to change your game or you simply wont like it.

Im not saying buy a Pred shaft on everything you own Im saying find out what your style is and look for a cue maker that caters to it. If we all did his there would be a big drop in pred sales. There is a cue made just for you, and your style.... finding it is the tough part. So I say if your going to use an aftermaket low deflection shaft do it for the right reasons.


SPINDOKTOR

I have been wanting to try a OB-1, Royce however hasnt replied to my E-mails, so I putting that on the back burner for now.

 

[ceebee]

I am inclined to think a good tip on any shaft would give up better results, than a bad tip on a great shaft.

The tip hits the ball & a good stroke insures positive results.

If it were just about a great shaft, the "Magic Wand Theory" might hold water...

Good Luck...

 

[rbgarmon]

personally i have never understood why anyone would purchase a nice cue such as an espiritu and want to replace the shaft with anything else.IMO the best shaft you will ever get for this cue is the original shaft.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Meucci with water buffalo tip.

 

[Wimpy]

alright i think what this guy's asking for is advice not a lecture. i think he should have stated all strokes being equal to his question. i've been reading this post and i see a lot of posts and no suggestions. i like the shaft that came with my cue but i always thought it was easier to move the cueball around with the 314-1. good luck wimpy

Thank you very much for standing up for me, and for keeping the thread on the desired subject. Maybe a 1st generation Predator shaft might be what I need, as the 2nd generation was a little too much with the decreased deflection and all. I really like the shafts the cue came with, but am more than willing to try something new. Thanks poolplayer2093 for your opinion, and your honesty.

 

[Sire380]

What's up Man, This is Patrick from the tournament, remember, I just sent you a PM.

 

[berlowmj]

miracle cue

Don't want to sound as if I'm talking down to you, and I also want to make it clear that I'm not making any assumptions as to your level as a player. But, when we all started out, every one of us was looking for that 'miracle' cue or shaft that would improve our game by either helping us to apply more English, or the decrease deflection, help us draw better............whatever. Truth of the matter is, if you're simply looking for a way to be able to get more action (more English) on the ball, it will be found more in your stroke than in any particular type of shaft. Although there are some shafts that will decrease deflection, and yes, some shafts will produce a livelier CB, the majority of that extra English and less deflection isn't going to help your game drastically unless you already have the stroke to get enough English from a standard shaft like the ones that came with your Espiritu. I've played with several of his cues, and although from cue to cue, and maker to maker, there are differences between the way they deflect and they way they juice the CB...................I've never heard of a problem of not being able to get enough English on the ball.
dave

I have a Universal Smart shaft, which I find quite satisfactory. Just to put things in perspective, I recently picked up a very dinged and clumsy house cue with a flattened tip. I was pleased to find that I played significantly better than I did with my Universal when I first started. Obviously, I played even better with my Universal shaft, but I gained perspective on the improvement of my stroke. Try it.

 

[seymore15074]

I am inclined to think a good tip on any shaft would give up better results, than a bad tip on a great shaft.

The tip hits the ball & a good stroke insures positive results.

If it were just about a great shaft, the "Magic Wand Theory" might hold water...

Good Luck...

No way, you will not get more english from a change of tip...that's even worse than saying you will from changing shafts!

 

[Wimpy]

I wouldnt look for a shaft for spin, when players Novice-Pro look to low deflection shafts they are thinking consistancy. or at least they should be. If youd ask me Id say it depends on where you want to go with your game, if you have trouble saying consistant with a standard maple shaft, perticularly on side spin shots I think youd find you would be more consistant with a Shaft such as Pred. If your fairly consistant with a standard maple shaft I dont think you'll have that WOW factor some people seem to have.

Using a Pred 314-2 helps me stay consistant because I rarely use BHE using the pivot method, I line up with the side, what the Pred shaft did for me was allow me to not need to compensate so much so everything look's STRAIGHTER IN.... lol

Whitch in turn helps my consistancy and boosts confidence.

As far as generating more spin? A solid maple shaft will generate as much spin, but generating as much at times will require a totaly differnt stroke.

I myself prefere a standard maple shaft, but after extensive practice I can see a place for the Laminated low deflection shafts. the cues that lack action, is likely due to the cue being to stiff. This has been a trend for awhile and is honestly the main cause for my delema with cues. Joss has a good solid hit, with a Joss shaft, and even with a 13.25mm tip will produce alot of spin. the cue is solid but not overly stiff. Naturaly you dont want a springboard nor do you want a super stiff cue. No matter the shaft.

The reason Im getting into this is because even though a great cue maker may have built your cue, he cant shoot your shots, sometimes to adapt a cue and make it truely our own we need adjust it to what we need as a player. This is where reasearch helps when your looking to buy a custom, most cue makers are noted for a perticular hit. and this hit caters to a perticular style. If the hit doesnt match the style you'll either have to change your game or you simply wont like it.

Im not saying buy a Pred shaft on everything you own Im saying find out what your style is and look for a cue maker that caters to it. If we all did his there would be a big drop in pred sales. There is a cue made just for you, and your style.... finding it is the tough part. So I say if your going to use an aftermaket low deflection shaft do it for the right reasons.


SPINDOKTOR

I have been wanting to try a OB-1, Royce however hasnt replied to my E-mails, so I putting that on the back burner for now.

Thank you very much, SPINDOKTOR for that post. You are totally right when you say there are different cues for different styles. Maybe this is why many people search and search for a loooong time, until they finally find that "excalibur" of cues. I can't expirement and try different shafts, because I buy online most of the time. The authorized dealer nearest to me, doesn't have anything but Predator and McDermott demos. And the Predator demos he has are 1st generation. This is why I ask you guys for opinions on this forum. You guys always seem to have something good and interesting to say.

 

[Handsumm]

No way, you will not get more english from a change of tip...that's even worse than saying you will from changing shafts!

You are the same skeptic that I argued with in the best tip thread a while back. DO you still think that all tips are equal and that the Triangle is just as good as any other tip with regards to spin?

You are completely WRONG on your opinion that tips do not affect the spin on the cue ball. Harder tips do not grab as much as softer tips, layered tips grab more than one piece tips, and so on and so forth.

Stop spewing out FUD, unless you have some science to back up your claims.

 

[poolplayer2093]

You are the same skeptic that I argued with in the best tip thread a while back. DO you still think that all tips are equal and that the Triangle is just as good as any other tip with regards to spin?

You are completely WRONG on your opinion that tips do not affect the spin on the cue ball. Harder tips do not grab as much as softer tips, layered tips grab more than one piece tips, and so on and so forth.

Stop spewing out FUD, unless you have some science to back up your claims.

what he said

 

[Handsumm]

Seriously, I mean....look at that twister tip; it's made of rubber so it can put extreme spin on shots for masse. Does that show you what I am taling about Seymore?

 

[seymore15074]

You are the same skeptic that I argued with in the best tip thread a while back. DO you still think that all tips are equal and that the Triangle is just as good as any other tip with regards to spin?

Yes. What are you getting at?

 

[bigpocket]

Mcdermott I2 shaft is my choice plays awsome IMO. 2nd choice would be the early pred shafts.

 

[mariopatricio]

Hi Wimpy: For what it's worth, here's my opinion about shafts all the way from Manila, Philippines. I have played with (and I have in my collection) a Judd Fuller cue, two Schon cues, a Predator 2 and a Predator 5K7. I used to like playing with the custom shafts of all these cues, but of late I have been partial to my 314-2 shafts and I have sometimes combined them with my Judd and Schon cues. Here's why.
In my opinion, modern technology is catching up with pool in the same way that it has revolutionized golf and tennis. Predator is one of the great innovators with its shafts. Mezz cues of Japan, with its hybrid pro shaft, is another.
The 314-2 is great for me, not because it gives more spin, but because it gives my cue ball more action even with a light stroke. Where with my previous shafts I had to stroke harder to draw across the length of the table, or follow four rails around the table, now I can do the same with a medium to soft stroke. Is it the shaft or my stroke? Partly both, because my stroke has greatly improved of late. But I must say that after experimenting with my various shafts, it's the 314-2 that has given me the most satisfaction.
Having said that, however, I must report to you that my friend Dennis Orcullo has shifted from Predator 314 to the Mezz Hybrid shaft. He prefers it because it gives him more control.
Another Filipino player, Lee Van Corteza, prefers the custom shaft of his Fury cue to the 314-2. He told me he found the spin from the 314-2 too hard to control. He won the Philippine National Championship recently with his Fury.
All this suggests that there can be no last word about shafts and cues. All players have their individual feel for the game. You must find your own best shaft by experimenting and feeling it at the table. Hope this helps. Good shooting.

 

[JimL]

what I can tell you is I just went through the low deflection experiment myself(Mcdermott cue w/I-2 shaft), When all was said and done I sold the cue and the shaft. I had purchased Schon and a custom by Barry Cameron. I found as long as I have the tip I want (moori med) I can apply all the english I want or need. JMHO

an after thought that might rub some people the wrong way but... as far as deflection goes non of these shafts eleminate it you still have to make certain corrections in your aiming so why bother w/big dollar shafts, just learn the way your cue/ shaft plays and move on.

 

[PKM]

I have heard several people say that Predator Z shafts gives them a lot of spin (some complaining it is too much), and requires more accuracy for hitting center ball. Is this because of the narrow tip? I've heard fewer people say that about the 314 shaft.

 

[Snapshot9]

In the first place

a shaft doesn't apply it, a player does. There are no 'magic solutions' in Pool, only hard work and using your brain.

 

[seymore15074]

a shaft doesn't apply it, a player does. There are no 'magic solutions' in Pool, only hard work and using your brain.

That's all I'm trying to say, but everyone wants to bend-over backwards to point out some rediculous scenario that can so-called 'prove' me wrong, as if I'm going to up and say, "Oh, damn, I don't know what I'm talking about." Shafts, tips, cues, I'll admit that perhaps these items may offer the ability to apply more spin, but it's not even going to be noticable in most cases, and even if it was, what I am trying to say is: If someone is not happy with their amount of spin, the solution is to work on your stroke, NOT buy more equipment...I beleive this so strongly, that I consider it to be a safe and respectable generalization, to say that the cue does not make the difference... (hopefully just to clear up any past arguments on the topic...) Disagreements are welcome, it's no big deal.

 

[ShaneT58]

1) As long as you don't use extreme english on everyshot its not going to make a big difference which shaft you use. I don't think any shaft is going to put that much more spin on the ball that it will matter.

2) I always hear people say that even though the predator produce less squirt all shafts deflect so just get used to it. I agree, you can play well with pretty much any cue but lets compare that to something else. Imagine you are shooting a riffle at a target 500 yards away and you have either a 5 mph cross wind or a 50 mph cross wind. Its the same shot except you just have to compensate a lot more. An accomplished shooter could pull off the shot under both conditions but which conditions would you rather being shooting in?

My first cue was a predator so I've stuck with using them because that is what I learned to use and therefore I am more comfortable using predator. I've tried OB-1 and like the feel and didn't notice any difference in deflection compared to the 314^2. I do like the fact that you can buy any cue you want and put a predator shaft on it and it will play just like the last one without having to get used to the new cue.

I can use a house cue or a friends schon and still play pretty much the same speed as with the predator I use all the time. Its just a few shots that rarely come up that I can preform better with the stick I'm more in tune with.

It bothers me a little when people bash people for using predator cues on custom butts. Its all a matter of opinion and you can't argue with opinion, at least not intelligently. The fact is that predator and other high tech shafts produce less squirt than more conventional shafts. Some people like the low squirt shafts and others don't but you don't have to knock other people just because they don't like the same stuff you do.