while doing a long distance draw back
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There are a whole bunch of things that people do wrong during draw shots, so you have to describe to us your problem before we know what is wrong. What happens when you try to draw with a closed bridge?
Does the cue ball just stop?
Do you miscue and send the cue ball flying?
Does the shot miss, but the cue ball draw?
Does the cue ball just stop?
Do you miscue and send the cue ball flying?
Does the shot miss, but the cue ball draw?
well, I can still draw back but not as much as with an open bridge. I can do a draw back anywhere I wanted with an open bridge, and that's what I do most of my games. I recently trying to learn draw with a close bridge. But what happen is when I draw with a close bridge, I can draw back but not close to where I want it to be. So I think there's a problem with my stroke with a close bridge. and that's what I am trying to find out now.
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Any chance you are elevating your cue more on the closed bridge?
Any chance you are elevating your cue more on the closed bridge?
I don't think I do..I keep my grip loose and cue leveled as possible.
Maybe with the closed bridge you are choking the cue. It is a fact that the cue, the tip, all have affect on what you are doing with the cue ball. If you are getting the results you are looking for with an open bridge that would tell me that you have a good stroke going.
Friction is never a problem to me, I waxed up my shaft. I think it might be the stroke. While I use an close bridge it seems that I can't get the feeling of the stroke. Anyone can describe how to do a draw shot with a closed bridge?
Personally to me there is no difference. I'm guessing that maybe you are poking the ball when using a closed bridge. Make sure you are stroking through the ball completely. Also it helps to stay loose during your stroke, dont tense up at the moment of impact.
I have noticed that allot of people have that problem when using a closed bridge, they use too much power and tense up at the last moment. Let your stroke supply the power while your muscles stay loose during the entire stroke.
I have noticed that allot of people have that problem when using a closed bridge, they use too much power and tense up at the last moment. Let your stroke supply the power while your muscles stay loose during the entire stroke.
Agree with Neil, most people that I have helped with their spin shots (usually draw but applies equally to follow or sidespin) don't hit where they think they are for various reasons. Correcting that mistake will usually solve the problem.
Scott
Scott
I have the opposite problem. I can really draw well with a closed bridge but don't do well with the open bridge. I jump the cue ball. Probabl;y hitting too low.
I can get more draw with an open bridge, but I lose a lot of control that way. For me, I think it is because an open bridge allows me to get the cue lower (closer to the bed of the table) while maintaining a very flat angle. I'd say my closed bridge raises the cue a half inch or so more than my closed bridge, which increases elevation substantially. I marvel at how much draw (screw) professional snooker players can get, and I think it would be harder to get that much if they used closed bridges.
Aaron
Aaron
Try rotating the closed bridge slightly or adjusting how your thumb sits in the bridge.
Lots of players pull their thumb up into the closed bridge which means you have some elevation increase to your cueing angle.
With the open bridge you flatten out the thumb and hand and can get low and level without much attention to it.
Lots of players pull their thumb up into the closed bridge which means you have some elevation increase to your cueing angle.
With the open bridge you flatten out the thumb and hand and can get low and level without much attention to it.
When I jump trying to draw, I can usually feel that I was gripping the cue with my right hand instead of keeping my grip loose. For power draw I'm almost letting go of the cue, my grip is so loose. If you jump a ball, try the shot again focusing on loosening up your shooting hand.
Lex... at the risk of sounding cocky, which is what im not going for at all, I can say I have a very great stroke. I am somewhat of an artist with it the way I can throw balls, use english and especially draw a ball.
I can tell you Lex, what I see most is what people are comfortable with, meaning some people are comfortable playing top with an open bridge and not so much a closed bridge. Or in your case you are more comfortable with an open bridge with draw than a closed bridge.
My Tip : setup a common draw shot. Play it with a slow speed to barely draw the ball back at all, with a loose grip. Then gradually step up your stroke speed. Pretty soon you will get a fluid stroke that will hit the cue ball accurately and get you the draw action that you want.
If you use Aramith balls with the number in the stripe area then try this.
Use the nine ball as the cue ball. Set up a draw shot. Set the nine with the stripe perfectly verticle and the number circle directly towards the cue. Chalk up well and hit the shot. You should have left a chaulk nark on the nine ball. Wipe off and repeat. The white portion of the number circle is around 2 tips of english.
This is a good method to diagnos a lot of stroke problems.
Use the nine ball as the cue ball. Set up a draw shot. Set the nine with the stripe perfectly verticle and the number circle directly towards the cue. Chalk up well and hit the shot. You should have left a chaulk nark on the nine ball. Wipe off and repeat. The white portion of the number circle is around 2 tips of english.
This is a good method to diagnos a lot of stroke problems.
Aaron...That's just your perception. If you twist your wrist on your closed bridge, the thumb will drop down onto the cloth, and it will be just as easy to draw the CB accurately, as with an open bridge. Many people "bind" the cue over their knuckles with a closed bridge, and this creates what you're perceiving. In reality you should be able to strike the CB at maximum low (3 tips) just as easily with an closed bridge as with an open bridge.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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lexgideon...There is a great deal of difference between "forcing" the stick through the CB (poke/punch/power), and using the weight of the cue and timing (moving the cue quickly, with a very light grip) to create the stroke. Most people grip too tight and try to draw the CB with a 'snap back' type of action. This is actually detrimental to drawing the CB easily. I'm going to suggest that you are doing one of two things, without realizing it, that is creating your problem. Either you're gripping tighter with the closed hand bridge (but not realizing it), or you're trying to use strength instead of cuespeed and timing. Either will usually result in missing where you're aiming on the CB. There is a significant reduction in action on the CB, missing the maximum low aim point (3 tips low) versus the #2 draw position (2 tips below center)...even with the same speed stroke. I know you said you didn't think either of these things was happening, but I'll bet you're just not noticing it. Use a stripe. like Neil suggested. Place it with the stripe perfectly horizontal on the cloth. Aim the top edge of your tip at the bottom of the stripe (use the 9 or 13, as the blue chalk mark shows very well). Remember, the contact with the CB/tip is only 1/8" or 3mm...it's easy to miss by that much...either too high (not near as much draw) or low (miscue, because the tip hits the table first). Hope this helps.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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