who do you think was the best full-cue jumper..??

> Here's my picks.

1) Smokey Bartlett,even over my other 2 far better-known examples.

When he was up this way in the early 90's,I don't think I ever saw him miss clearing a full ball from more than 4-5" inches,jumping with a 15oz Valley house cue with the original tip,beaten down to about 1/32 side thickness and almost dead flat. He made roughly 70% of the balls he jumped at even from that distance. Any more than that the jump itself was a dead lock,and his make percentage on the ball he was jumping at was probably 85-90%,following,stopping or drawing the cue ball afterwards. I'll say this as clearly as I can with no exaggeration. In the 6 months or so I saw him regularly,he pulled this move at least 50 times either gambling or in tournaments. He'd be hooked off the break,and he'd push out for a jump. If he left you totally hooked but you had more than a 5" gap,and you didn't take the shot yourself,you LOST,PERIOD. I've even seen him cut balls in that were frozen on the end rail,and use sidespin and get his ball back up table 2 rails.

2) Tie,Earl and Rafael. Tommy D.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
Sammy Jones was the first one I heard of jumping with a full cue and he was outstanding doing it from what I heard.
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Earl was jumping with his full cue long before Sammy. Sammy invented the jump cue. Scotty Townsend is also pretty sporty jumping with a full cue, but no one did it like Earl.
 
After reading these posts, I must add that the first "jumpers" played on different equipment. Back when early pioneers like Earl and Sammy were lofting cue balls, the cloth was thicker, nappier and sometimes even rubber backed. I can remember seeing people jumping balls with full cues all the time. After a few months of playing, I too, became quite proficient. Then came simonis.

Being somewhat thinner (I gather), jumping with a full cue was now really tough. Maybe this is crazy, but this is what I remember.
 
Smokey Joe/ Stevie Moore

TOTALLY AGREE!!!
Smokey Joe Bartlett was insane. One handed spot shot shooting from the pocket, over a full ball at a handspan from cueball, and draw to the bottom rail without hitting a rail before it - - one handed jump-masse draw. BRING IT EARL!!! This was on 4x8 and 4-1/2x9's at my fathers pool room -- - ONSIMONIS 760!!! There goes the nap theory!!

Humidity and temperature play a bigger role than most consider.


Honorable mention is STEVIE MOORE who jumps a Full ball at one ball space from cueball, length of table on an 8ft without hitting a rail after contact. He showed it for a nominal fee, paid by me....

Tommy-D said:
> Here's my picks.

1) Smokey Bartlett,even over my other 2 far better-known examples.

When he was up this way in the early 90's,I don't think I ever saw him miss clearing a full ball from more than 4-5" inches,jumping with a 15oz Valley house cue with the original tip,beaten down to about 1/32 side thickness and almost dead flat. He made roughly 70% of the balls he jumped at even from that distance. Any more than that the jump itself was a dead lock,and his make percentage on the ball he was jumping at was probably 85-90%,following,stopping or drawing the cue ball afterwards. I'll say this as clearly as I can with no exaggeration. In the 6 months or so I saw him regularly,he pulled this move at least 50 times either gambling or in tournaments. He'd be hooked off the break,and he'd push out for a jump. If he left you totally hooked but you had more than a 5" gap,and you didn't take the shot yourself,you LOST,PERIOD. I've even seen him cut balls in that were frozen on the end rail,and use sidespin and get his ball back up table 2 rails.

2) Tie,Earl and Rafael. Tommy D.
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How

I can get over a 1/4 maybe a little more anytime I need to but I can try to jump a full ball till I'm blue in the face and not get it done once. What is the trick.
 
macneilb said:
so i've been watching some old videos or earl from the 80's, and man i gotta say the man can jump w/ the best of em w/ his playing cue! so it got me to thinkin...from what i've seen, most people can jump a quarter/half ball w/ their playing cue, but alot have trouble getting over a full ball. who do you think was the best jumper w/ their playing cue?
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Jump'n Danny Greene without a doubt. Danny even pushes out, leaving you a jump shot, and if you let him shoot it, he will make it every time.

Most people practice pool. Danny practices jump shots all day long. He told me: "that's what I do"....."I love jump shots".

Danny told me that some backers wanted to get him a jump'n match with some guy from Philadelphia for big bucks (a few grand). Mr. PA however never showed up.

I am almost sure that if you bring someone to MD to play Danny for some jump shot money, you will get played. ANYBODY. I am just puffing a little, but I still think it would happen.
 
Don't know how many of you will remember him but Dave Yeager out of Clinton, Iowa shot with a fifteen ounce cue and jumped the balls real good including the big ball.
 
macneilb said:
so i've been watching some old videos or earl from the 80's, and man i gotta say the man can jump w/ the best of em w/ his playing cue! so it got me to thinkin...from what i've seen, most people can jump a quarter/half ball w/ their playing cue, but alot have trouble getting over a full ball. who do you think was the best jumper w/ their playing cue?
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Rafael Martinez
 
unknownpro said:
Steel jointed 21oz 14 mm with a worn out le pro tip.
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You seem to know so much about his equipment and it's state, tell me, are you the meister who dropped those shots?
 
J. Learned Hand said:
After reading these posts, I must add that the first "jumpers" played on different equipment. Back when early pioneers like Earl and Sammy were lofting cue balls, the cloth was thicker, nappier and sometimes even rubber backed. I can remember seeing people jumping balls with full cues all the time. After a few months of playing, I too, became quite proficient. Then came simonis.

Being somewhat thinner (I gather), jumping with a full cue was now really tough. Maybe this is crazy, but this is what I remember.
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I haven't noticed a difference. I still push out to a jump shot, but I keep forgetting people have jump cues lol.
The jump shot has to be practiced like any other shot, practice, practice, practice and you will start making alot more jump shots and getting position.
 
Can't believe I forgot about Smokey!

Anyone ever see Smokey Bartlett do a dual one handed jump shot with a full length cue in each hand?

He would put a line of balls across the table between the side pockets and an object ball near each of the two end rail corner pockets. Then, he would take two cueballs and set them about 6' out from the head rail about 18' apart.

He would then take two full length cues, one in each hand, jack up and shoot with the two cueballs crossing in the middle of the table making the object balls.

I've seen him make this plenty of times and lost a little money to him the first time. He would bet even money on the shot!

Amazing~

Stones
 
I really liked his one-handed full ball jump freezing the cue and blocking ball to a dollar bill. He didnt bet he would get over - he would bet he makes the ball. NUTS, I tell you, STONE COLD NUTS.
Stones said:
Can't believe I forgot about Smokey!
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