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who does great leather wraps
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bruin70 said:
Tiger won't work for you. Their brown is actually tan/peanut. The older looking brown was chocolate and cow hide was used.
Tigers leather is the most consistant I have seen so far, just not enough colors yet.
bruin70 said:i'm going to choose someone to wrap my peterson cue in SMOOTH GLOVE LEATHER. not embossed or some weird reptilian underbelly.
normally i would ask stroud(i still might as he did a great one for me), but he is a bit handicapped at present.
so i'm thinking of,,,,hercek,,,szamboti,,,scruggs,,,tad,,,gutierrez. the thing is...i don't know if these guyz will do it, or if they can turn it around in a short period of time. i would trust all five implicitly with my peterson. but other than stroud, i'm not familiar with their leather work.
can anyone offer insights on the other five? remember,,,this is for smooth glove leather. also, i think someone who offers the best variety of brown leather would be advantageous.
thanks for all your help, you cue-connoisseurs, you
I've seen some older Petersen cues wrapped in pigskin/boar's hide, and in keeping in tune with that, I might consider Phillippi. Their boar's hide wrap they offer is consistently one of the finest leather wraps I have ever seen. Not sure if they do it in brown or just black.
If you are dead set on the garment-quality smooth brown, Joel may not do it (think he does only smooth blank). If it were me, would definitely consider Bill Schick or maybe even Skip Weston who is near you. No idea of the turnaound for either of these guys but I'm sure it would be pretty quick. I would think your turnaround would be very slow for almost all of the five you have listed above, not to mention there are others doing equally as good or better wraps IMO.
Ten years ago it was tough to find a handful of guys doing really superb leather wraps. Now is a completely different story....there are lots of folks doing awesome wrap work.
cueaddicts said:
I really am surprised that nobody has mentioned this, last year at VF there was a Jig being sold that makes them so easy to do pretty much everyone does nice wraps now, I know 4-6 cuemakers who bought that Jig and another few who were just planning to steal the design and build it themselves. Doing leather wraps has become easy. That being said you still need to trust the cuemaker to let him handle your high dollar cues, I'd still go with Ernie.
Jim
I believe the De Angelo (spelling?) Jig is made by Jimmy Reeves, but I could be wrong.
His site is www.reevescues.com
You can also buy it on Atlas.
I have tried it, it helps to cut the seam more accurately, and it allows the radius at each end to be cut very easily. But there is no guarantee that the seam can be put together precisely just because the leather is cut out right.
His site is www.reevescues.com
You can also buy it on Atlas.
I have tried it, it helps to cut the seam more accurately, and it allows the radius at each end to be cut very easily. But there is no guarantee that the seam can be put together precisely just because the leather is cut out right.
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I know of two.nipponbilliards said:
These jigs do not assure the wrap would be level.
The repairman should still make sure the wrap grooves are level, right depth and accurate.
iconcue said:who makes it? lomax? share some more jimmy!
The one I'm talking about was D'Angelo and I believe it was selling around $400-$500, very small very simple, even you can learn to use it Jeff. I happen to have one close by and it makes doing a leather wrap easier then a linen one IMO.
Jim
Jimblo: Why, cause you say it's not? You were the one who felt a need to add to the topic, it was about who does good wraps not how *YOU* thought they looked. As it turns out the guy who asked likes the way they look, so why did you feel the need to add your feelings on the looks when it wasn't part of the question??
No, but the question pertained to who did a good leather wrap and the fact it was going on a classic cue, that being a Petersen. If you read the post you would have realized that. So my observation and additional comment fit perfectly and was topic related. Just because you feel it isn’t doesn’t make it so.
Jimblo: If the post was about green cadilacs and I drove a green cadilac I guess I could defend them, now couldn't I?? And if you insulted the green cadilacs can't I assume that you were insulting me, knowing full well you know what type of car I drive?? Geee Joe it's not such a stretch after all is it?
Well maybe you shouldn’t get insulted, since I wasn’t talking about YOU. I know you need to feel like it was, but your Bushka is not the only cue Ernie put a wrap on. I know you like to feel important and you want to think Ernie only worked on your Bushka and it breaks your heart he may have cheated on you.
Jimblo: I don't believe I changed anything, just added to it, kinda like you did when you added your thoughts about the looks of the wrap when it had nothing to do with the question.
It absolutely had everything to do with the initial post in its entirety. RIF.. you need to look it up.
Jimblo: I was just commenting on wraps and why some people might choose to try and get a wrap that looked a certain way, some dishonest people do it and try to pass it off as original. Some people just get the best wrap there is, since the question was who does the best wraps and not which do you (Joe Van) think is the best looking I guess you look like a fool for going off topic and insulting people you are jealous of, that's ok if you need to brag a bit though, go right ahead Joe.
And why wouldn’t he want a wrap that looks a certain way. He has a classically made cue and you want a guy to put a wrap on it, that will throw the look of the whole cue off. That’s real smart. But then again, maybe you should tell him while Ernie has it, let him stain it to, this way it all comes together. Actually he did ask who does the best wraps and I like many others qualified my statements. Again who was I jealous of and insulting? You?!? don’t give yourself that kind of credit, cause it will only cause more delusion.
Jimblo: I guess I'll take classless over clueless, but I don't see where my comments lacked any class, just because you don't like certain things talked about doesn't mean they are classless. As far as the person I talked about coming here or not, well it has little to do with it. You see Joe you want us all to believe you are Classiccues.com, so much so that it;s your screenname so when I said what I said it was in fact about you. Well at least in your make believe world I guess. Have a nice day.
Well in your case you’re lucky.. you’re both. Actually the fact you don’t have the cajones to talk about him to his face, he is actually only 30 minutes away, just get in the car, and you need to obsess over him here, yeah it makes you classless. You keep saying I want everyone to believe I am classiccues, I am. I have already said many times how the name came about.
Joe
No, but the question pertained to who did a good leather wrap and the fact it was going on a classic cue, that being a Petersen. If you read the post you would have realized that. So my observation and additional comment fit perfectly and was topic related. Just because you feel it isn’t doesn’t make it so.
Jimblo: If the post was about green cadilacs and I drove a green cadilac I guess I could defend them, now couldn't I?? And if you insulted the green cadilacs can't I assume that you were insulting me, knowing full well you know what type of car I drive?? Geee Joe it's not such a stretch after all is it?
Well maybe you shouldn’t get insulted, since I wasn’t talking about YOU. I know you need to feel like it was, but your Bushka is not the only cue Ernie put a wrap on. I know you like to feel important and you want to think Ernie only worked on your Bushka and it breaks your heart he may have cheated on you.
Jimblo: I don't believe I changed anything, just added to it, kinda like you did when you added your thoughts about the looks of the wrap when it had nothing to do with the question.
It absolutely had everything to do with the initial post in its entirety. RIF.. you need to look it up.
Jimblo: I was just commenting on wraps and why some people might choose to try and get a wrap that looked a certain way, some dishonest people do it and try to pass it off as original. Some people just get the best wrap there is, since the question was who does the best wraps and not which do you (Joe Van) think is the best looking I guess you look like a fool for going off topic and insulting people you are jealous of, that's ok if you need to brag a bit though, go right ahead Joe.
And why wouldn’t he want a wrap that looks a certain way. He has a classically made cue and you want a guy to put a wrap on it, that will throw the look of the whole cue off. That’s real smart. But then again, maybe you should tell him while Ernie has it, let him stain it to, this way it all comes together. Actually he did ask who does the best wraps and I like many others qualified my statements. Again who was I jealous of and insulting? You?!? don’t give yourself that kind of credit, cause it will only cause more delusion.
Jimblo: I guess I'll take classless over clueless, but I don't see where my comments lacked any class, just because you don't like certain things talked about doesn't mean they are classless. As far as the person I talked about coming here or not, well it has little to do with it. You see Joe you want us all to believe you are Classiccues.com, so much so that it;s your screenname so when I said what I said it was in fact about you. Well at least in your make believe world I guess. Have a nice day.
Well in your case you’re lucky.. you’re both. Actually the fact you don’t have the cajones to talk about him to his face, he is actually only 30 minutes away, just get in the car, and you need to obsess over him here, yeah it makes you classless. You keep saying I want everyone to believe I am classiccues, I am. I have already said many times how the name came about.
Joe
Unless you are just hell bent on spending a lot of money, or just want someone ultra famous to do it, I would have Paul Drexler at PFD do it. He does a great job, Dave Jacoby also does great work so does Pechour. Butterflycues.
I just go through buying a Unique products wrap jig and my first wrap with it was flawless. $400.00 Butterflycues.
MK,
A few others have mentioned Paul Fanelli. I agree....if you want the smooth brown leather, you might want to call Paul up to discuss. He's really good with those type of wraps. Another great option in your neck of the woods would be Paul Mottey, as well. Hope these ideas will help.
Sean
A few others have mentioned Paul Fanelli. I agree....if you want the smooth brown leather, you might want to call Paul up to discuss. He's really good with those type of wraps. Another great option in your neck of the woods would be Paul Mottey, as well. Hope these ideas will help.
Sean
if i were to be TOTALLY faithful to craig, i would need a leather wrap like what he used, which was thick. he sent me samples once,,,and they were very soft, pliable, and stretchable,,,and nothing like what thin stuff being used today.
but craig cut the wrap for linen, and i don't want to compromise that, so i HAVE to go with the new stuff.
fanelli's name is popping up a lot. ernie is not easy to talk to. he likes things his own way, and i'd be nervous about placing demands on what he does, ie, no crimping. i have total faith in hercek. and barry has finshed two of craig's last three(mine is the third)
but craig cut the wrap for linen, and i don't want to compromise that, so i HAVE to go with the new stuff.
fanelli's name is popping up a lot. ernie is not easy to talk to. he likes things his own way, and i'd be nervous about placing demands on what he does, ie, no crimping. i have total faith in hercek. and barry has finshed two of craig's last three(mine is the third)
classiccues said:
You can't have it both ways, you can't claim you're classic cues and then when I talk bad about *you* (LOL) hide and say talk to MK. As far as talking to Mark goes I tried, he has no balls to face me because he knows I am right. Just like I'm right on everything I post. he knows he doesn't want to debate any of what I said. Shit I've been too good to him, I have so much dirt on him that he just prays I shut up. Why would I drive 30 minutes or even 3 to see a lying classless scumbag who can't keep his word? He has all my numbers and my address if he has a problem he knows very well how to find me, he also see's me all the time on AOL and unlike you hasn't hid from me, but I have nothing to say to him. I've done a lot for him pool related and outside of this meaningless hobby (important life stuff) and he has proven over and over the type of person he is and it's not just to me, I'll keep things the way they are thank you very much. The problem with Pool and cues are the scumbags like you and him in the business who only look out for themselves in your attempt to make a buck you'll sell out anyone. To some money just isn't more important then your word and to lie for someone and back them like you do just to feel important is almost as bad.
Jim
Go Chargers!!!!!
PS feel free to send a copy of this to mark, don't you wish you just ignored me:-D
bruin70 said:
I believe the old smooth leather wrap you are talking about is ,like you said, a thick soft leather, it is sanded down and then polished off after it is installed to hide the seam and to give it its sheen. Over time, the leather polish will come off and the leather will look dull. It is my understanding that Ernie has stopped doing it that way because he does not like the problems associated with it.
I have never dealt with this cue maker before, but I heard that he still does his leather the old fashion way and he is from Florida, Dennis Dieckman.
It is my understanding, as limited as it may be, that you can apply one of those thick old style leather on a cue without cutting deeper, and then you can sand down the leather until it is flushed, afterwhich, you can polish and condition the leather to make it look sharp again. Is that true?
Richard
nipponbilliards said:
Yes, you are right about this but hardly anybody's doing them that way anymore. Most suppliers have the leathers very close to spec now. Sanding the wrap is way too much a pain in the ass for most cuemakers to do. Dennis may be the only guy still doing that.
Sean
bruin70 said:not yet
I shipped Mike Webb my cue on Monday via FedEx 2nd day, and he had it back to me on Thursday. He had the time at the time and did a fantastic job. Really quick turnaround.
Shorty