who does great leather wraps
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bruin70 said:
Joe was trying to take a shot, jealousy is an ugly trait. In any event Ernie is hands down the best choice for what you want, and he has Brown. But it'll cost double what must the others mentioned will (I doubt the price will be a factor) Go with the best.
Jim
iconcue said:bru? i'm hurt! you know i do leather wraps!
just send that cp on down south!
p.s. maybe cantando
if you do great leather wraps, maybe i'll just send ALL my cp's to you. will you be in to receive fedex standard next week?,,,,,,,,maybe tuesday?
oh,,,and btw,,,,,,,,,,,,you can take your sweet time on the wraps. i know you're busy, so you can hold onto the cues indefinitely,,,,until you get around to them
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JimBo said:
You know moron, I wasn't even thinking about your cue. But now that you mention it, thats 2 I know of.
Joe (---"you think this song is about... don'tchu..."
classiccues said:
Jealousy is an ugly trait, and I guess when everything you've ever owned has a price it's hard to understand some things. They say every ass has a seat, right Joe? I for one happen to like the way those wraps look (as well as a few others I guess) and since I don't try to fool people like your boss I don't have a need to try and disguise things.
Jim
JimBo said:
I am glad you like the way they look. But thats not the contention here. You thought my post was directed at you and it wasn't. Now you have to back track and change the subject. The classic Jimbo twist, get caught looking the fool and switch gears. Like clockwork, bring someone into the discussion who a-doesn't make it a habit reading the forums and b- has NOTHING to do with Ernies wraps.
Nice to know you are still as classless as ever...
Joe
Thank you. Ed also does the double line thing on his leather wrap that is why I asked. I love the leather wrap I saw on Ed's cue. Personally, I like Ed Prewitt's wrap job the most.jazznpool said:
I agree that if Bruin wants to have "glove" leather he may have problem getting it done by some of the big names.
I find it more difficult to work with the seam with brown soft leather. And if the leather has no texture and is very soft, it is, in my opinion, almost impossible to hide the seam.
nipponbilliards said:
jazz,,,nippon,,,,maybe "glove' was a poor choice of words. i simply mean "smooth" a,,,,as opposed to embossed or snake or whatever.....because i thought i've seen smooth leathers used by ernie?
maybe i should contact tiger and see what nrowns they have.
Ed does not do "double line thing" on leather wraps. While it is possible that he did at one time it is not the case now. I agree--like his cues, his wrap work is flawless. Biggest problem in leather is having thickness consistency throughout the piece for the wrap. When it is too inconsistent a superb seam may not be attainable unless the seam is sanded and post-wrap finishing techniques are used.
Martin
Martin
nipponbilliards said:
I've seen smooth leather on 90's Ginacues (full grain calf or cowhide) by Ernie too but he claims to not do it anymore. Someone recently told me Ernie had is own small machine to resplit and level leather. When I was at his shop earlier in the year Ernie had a stack of Tiger leather pigskin wraps 10" high. When he said "no smooth leather" I asked for him to use pigskin wraps with least amount of texture and they were very nice although I am not a fan of his "double lines."
When buying various types of leathers for my own wraps I happened to become acquainted with a supplier in New York who deals with several top cuemakers. The supplier told me about the types of goods other cuemakers were buying. That is why I recommended Hercek. Without a doubt there are many cuemakers who are very skillful with leather wraps. Whoever does Bruins cue will be governed to some extent by the thickness of the existing wrap channel and must find a piece of a thickness that will work.
Martin
When buying various types of leathers for my own wraps I happened to become acquainted with a supplier in New York who deals with several top cuemakers. The supplier told me about the types of goods other cuemakers were buying. That is why I recommended Hercek. Without a doubt there are many cuemakers who are very skillful with leather wraps. Whoever does Bruins cue will be governed to some extent by the thickness of the existing wrap channel and must find a piece of a thickness that will work.
Martin
bruin70 said:
Mike Capone does great leather wrap work. Very clean work.
jazznpool said:
in order to maintain the integrity of the cue, the channel cut will remain at whatever it was for linen(the original wrap). is it something like .24mm thick, or something? it will not be cut further to accomodate a thicker leather.
i know stroud also has a machine that strips leather. i would normally ask bill, but he is temporarily handicapped. i trust joel., and mainly that he delivers WHEN he says so. i don't know if the other cuemakers work on true time or cuemaker's time.
bruin70 said:
Last I spoke with Corey Harper from Tiger Products they did not have smooth fine grain leather, closest was pigskin. I've seen a lot of Ernies wraps in pigskin. It can be burnished pretty smooth and as you play this is what happens.
Tiger's is made up to exactly the width of wrapped linen. The owner of Tiger, Tony, has quite a bit of expertise in leather products. He did two wraps for me, beautiful job, and the leather came out perfectly flush with the surrounding surfaces.
I agree - don't get an embossed leather. I like it for playing, but for looks, super fine grain cowhide looks the best.
Some of the finest top grain leather I've seen has been used on my cues by Scott Sherbine. It has a super fine grain but it also has a polished finish to it. It doesn't feel as good as the softer pig leather, but it looks sensational. I'm not sure where he gets his leather or if his brown is the same quality as his black.
In these photo's below, the model "J" with the dots on the butt sleeve has a wrap by Scott Sherbine in fine grain cowhide. The other "J" which belonged to Dick Leonard has a wrap that Barry Szamboti mentioned to me might have been installed by Gus. It is a beautiful wrap job. I know Jim Buss also worked on the cue so I have to contact him to see if the wrap was original.
Gus did a lot of leather wraps for Palmer and worked on their top line cues. in fact, Barry sent me receipts (which I will publish shortly) between Gus and Palmer for this work and others.
http://www.palmercollector.com/ModelJ.html
Chris
classiccues said:
I guess I'll take classless over clueless, but I don't see where my comments lacked any class, just because you don't like certain things talked about doesn't mean they are classless. As far as the person I talked about coming here or not, well it has little to do with it. You see Joe you want us all to believe you are Classiccues.com, so much so that it;s your screenname so when I said what I said it was in fact about you. Well at least in your make believe world I guess. Have a nice day.
Jim
> At a tournament in Memphis in 1992,Adam Orr showed me a plain Cognoscenti with a leather wrap. I hated the feel of it,felt like a cheesy McDermott to me,but wish now I had bought it because of that wrap. Before actually playing with the cue,I looked at it real close and couldn't find the seam with my naked eyes. He handed me a 4-10x jewelers loupe and I looked for 20 minutes and never did conclusively find it,no exaggeration. Keith Josey is right up there as well,the wrap on the ivory/turquoise cue Tony Watson plays with looks like a solid piece with all the texturing. There have been very few leather/exotic skin wraps I've liked,but these 2 guys have my vote. Tommy D.